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Lake Pirate
07-06-2004, 07:44 AM
Reuters-
Ben Ahmad Calcutta Journal July 6, 2004
Israeil Intelligence has uncovered a threat to an American internet forum. Muhammad Farqari and another reliable source have released documentation discovered while searching Hamas safe house indicates Al-Jazeera and Osama Bin laden himself have focused their sites on ***boat.com an American leisure time bulletin board. It is believed Bin Laden has discovered the huge Republican brain trust that exists there and has no choice but to eliminate the infidel's foreign policy think tank once and for all. It is believed this attack will dessimate any momentum the Bush campaign has gained over the last four years.

Dr. Eagle
07-06-2004, 07:46 AM
LOL.... so they sent you?;)

HCS
07-06-2004, 07:47 AM
Again? it's not the first attack. The last one was a rusky.:rolleyes:

spectratoad
07-06-2004, 07:53 AM
Finally an admission that the Bush Administration has the ability to steamroll the Kerry/Anything But Bush campaign.:D

Dave C
07-06-2004, 07:56 AM
you know what they say... cut off the head and the body will die...... so start from the top;) :D

Dr. Eagle
07-06-2004, 08:03 AM
Actually I heard that the terrorist in charge of the hot boat attack is Nowanee Bin Botin... Look for him on the 10 most wanted list at the Marina...:(

HighRoller
07-06-2004, 08:06 AM
He drives a blue and white Kobrahh called "My little Muslim":D

copperrat20
07-06-2004, 08:08 AM
:D :D :D :D :D

spectratoad
07-06-2004, 08:09 AM
Nowanee Bin Botin - Is he related to that little filthy Havasu Trinket trader, Sandbar Suwanee.:D

Dr. Eagle
07-06-2004, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by HighRoller
He drives a blue and white Kobrahh called "My little Muslim":D
I thought it was the red and white party cat flying the crescent flag called "Allahs Angels"...

Dr. Eagle
07-06-2004, 08:13 AM
Originally posted by spectratoad
Nowanee Bin Botin - Is he related to that little filthy Havasu Trinket trader, Sandbar Suwanee.:D
Maybe, but he surely is related to Husbeen Pharteen...

eliminatedsprinter
07-06-2004, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Reuters-
Ben Ahmad Calcutta Journal July 6, 2004
Israeil Intelligence has uncovered a threat to an American internet forum. Muhammad Farqari and another reliable source have released documentation discovered while searching Hamas safe house indicates Al-Jazeera and Osama Bin laden himself have focused their sites on ***boat.com an American leisure time bulletin board. It is believed Bin Laden has discovered the huge Republican brain trust that exists there and has no choice but to eliminate the infidel's foreign policy think tank once and for all. It is believed this attack will dessimate any momentum the Bush campaign has gained over the last four years.
Repulicans need to watch out. Everyone knows Osama wants Kerry to win...Even our left leaning friend Lake Pirate apparently. ;) :D

Dr. Eagle
07-06-2004, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by eliminatedsprinter
Repulicans need to watch out. Everyone knows Osama wants Kerry to win...Even Lake Pirate apparently. ;) :D
I think the French want him to win too... cuz he looks like one of them......:rolleyes:

eliminatedsprinter
07-06-2004, 08:22 AM
Originally posted by Dr. Eagle
I think the French want him to win too... cuz he looks like one of them......:rolleyes:
He functions in the senate like one too...

Dr. Eagle
07-06-2004, 08:24 AM
Originally posted by eliminatedsprinter
He functions in the senate like one too...
Yeah, exactly...:rolleyes:

RiverKitty
07-06-2004, 08:27 AM
If their gonna take on ***boat.....they better come prepared!
We'll kick their Al-Jazeera A$$!!!!!!!! :mad: :D

Dr. Eagle
07-06-2004, 08:29 AM
Originally posted by RiverKitty
If their gonna take on ***boat.....they better come prepared!
We'll kick their Al-Jazeera A$$!!!!!!!! :mad: :D
We'll show em the business ends of our props, and I know what those can do to a knee..... or a foot...... right Scream...?

Lake Pirate
07-06-2004, 09:17 AM
Osama wants Kerry to win? What a scoop. I'll call the foreign press. This is huge. Are you on his mailing list? Is your son-in-law catering a terrorist training camp? Do you have an import/export portable dialysis machine company in Afghanistan? We gotta know...how exactly did you uncover this amazing information?

HighRoller
07-06-2004, 09:24 AM
It's simple logic. Kerry loves the UN. The UN is powerless to stop terror.(Saddam defied 18 of their resolutions)Kerry and the UN are soulmates because both of them talk but never actually do anything. How can a man who misses 87% of his senate votes be counted on as our Prez? You may not like what GW Bush did about terror, but unlike the previous administration HE DID SOMETHING!

Lake Pirate
07-06-2004, 09:29 AM
I'd say Osama is pretty safe since 9/11. The most powerful military force on Earth and tens of billions of dollars later all we get is videos he sends us. I doubt he's real worried about Georgie and company. If nothing else he's prolly pulling for them to win again. There's nothing like knowing your safe to motivate a little campaign funding. Did George get a check from the middle-east with a notation in the bottom left corner that said "you guys crack me up, let's do it again!"

HighRoller
07-06-2004, 10:00 AM
So what you're saying is that the Taliban and Al-Quaeda are more powerful today than they were before 9-11? Think carefully before you answer because I have the facts...do you?

Lake Pirate
07-06-2004, 10:04 AM
I am saying we haven't even been close to capturing Osama and that we haven't even been looking for him since we invaded Iraq. Unless he falls out of a plane and lands on the Beltway I'm pretty sure he's safe from Washington.

Dr. Eagle
07-06-2004, 10:24 AM
While an entertaining thread it was... ENOUGH already.
I think Bin Laden (if still alive) is pulling for Kerry so he can "negotiate" the surrender of the Infidel state...
Soon Mosques on every corner... public beheadings... hands cut off for shoplifting those fine Wal Mart items...
Oh and all Democrats and independents (sans Libertarians)spared... if they convert to the Muslim faith... that oughta work for ya'
While insanely stupid postulation, that makes just about as much sense as your gobbledygook LP!

eliminatedsprinter
07-06-2004, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
I am saying we haven't even been close to capturing Osama and that we haven't even been looking for him since we invaded Iraq. Unless he falls out of a plane and lands on the Beltway I'm pretty sure he's safe from Washington.
"Haven't even been looking for him" as if the U.S. can't continue to look for one terrorist and do anything else at the same time. Lake Pirate, these debates are all in fun, so please don't be offended, but that is an irrational statement. Nothing could be a better political coup for the Bush administration than to catch OBL. The idea that they arn't looking for him is just plain nuts. Saying something like that indicates, to me, that your emotions have you willing to swallow every anti Bush line without any critical thought at all. Come on now, Lake Pirate Think it through.:cool: :cool:

topless
07-06-2004, 10:49 AM
Lake Pirate, are you attacking ***boat.com for Osama?:confused:

Lake Pirate
07-06-2004, 11:32 AM
I s'pose you're right. I'm sure there is some department of some something that does nothing but analyze data trying to locate OBL. I do believe that Saddam was a replacement trophy since the whole "cave" thing wasn't working out. In the interim Bush has been sidetracked by a war he thought was over after the initial invasion. He needs Osama by September me thinks. He shot his wad a little early with Saddamnit. Might should have held him in a cave until September...just in case?
Kerry/Edwards have a good campaign opportunity by rephrasing their stance on Iraq as something that is done and we need to refocus on real terrorists and national security without the Orwellian home security dabaucle.

Dr. Eagle
07-06-2004, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by eliminatedsprinter
Come on now, Lake Pirate Think it through.:cool: :cool:
If Osama didn't have anything to worry about from Washington... why would he have Holed up in the nether regions of the Pakistani/Afghani border?
Why not from North Korea or Downtown Ryadh for that matter? He is in hiding (if alive) because of one thing and one thing only. The USA is after his ass.

Tom Brown
07-06-2004, 11:35 AM
If there is ever an attack on this place, I'm pretty sure it will be from those jagoffs at iBoats.com

Lake Pirate
07-06-2004, 11:46 AM
I'm just the messenger, topless person. (You're not s'pose to shoot the messenger!)
Didn't y'all see this on FOX?

topless
07-06-2004, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
I'm just the messenger, topless person. (You're not s'pose to shoot the messenger!)
Didn't y'all see this on FOX?
OK Osama.............I mean Lake Pirate.;)

Debbolas
07-06-2004, 11:55 AM
Topless Person?
How P C is that?!?
LOL:D :rolleyes:

eliminatedsprinter
07-06-2004, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Kerry/Edwards have a good campaign opportunity by rephrasing their stance on Iraq as something that is done and we need to refocus on real terrorists and national security without the Orwellian home security dabaucle.
LOL.:D Is that what the Kerry camp calls what he has been doing, since it became apparent he had a good chance at the party nod "rephraising their stance"?I know that candidates tend to run to the center after getting the party nod, but for Kerry the trip to the center rivals that of Voyager...:D :D :D

topless
07-06-2004, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by Debbolas
Topless Person?
How P C is that?!?
LOL:D :rolleyes: :D

Debbolas
07-06-2004, 11:58 AM
:D ;)

eliminatedsprinter
07-06-2004, 12:06 PM
P.S. I'm not too fond of the Homeland Security Act either. I believe it is almost as draconian as the measures the Clinton administration tried to impose on us....I mean, after all, the Clinton administration attempted to get every major Orwellian element of it for themselves, as well as a few even more unconstitutional toys for Janet Reno to play with.....

Lake Pirate
07-06-2004, 12:07 PM
Topless Person? How PV is that?
The last time I assumed a poster was a woman, it was a man. (And a mad one at that!) ;)
From now on, you're all....persons.

coolchange
07-06-2004, 12:08 PM
but for Kerry the trip to the center rivals that of Voyager
Which Voyager? The one out wandering in space, or the one that went all the way around the world just to come back where it started?

topless
07-06-2004, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Topless Person? How PV is that?
The last time I assumed a poster was a woman, it was a man. (And a mad one at that!) ;)
From now on, you're all....persons.
Hey pirate person. I used to think Deb was a man............LOL

Lake Pirate
07-06-2004, 12:09 PM
You guys are going to have to get over Clinton eventually. It's like blaming all the bad Vampire movies on Bela Lugosi.

Debbolas
07-06-2004, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Topless Person? How PV is that?
The last time I assumed a poster was a woman, it was a man. (And a mad one at that!) ;)
From now on, you're all....persons.
Debbolas<-------------wondering what PV means?
lol
;)
Why would you think I am a man
LMAO!!!!:D :D

eliminatedsprinter
07-06-2004, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
You guys are going to have to get over Clinton eventually. It's like blaming all the bad Vampire movies on Bela Lugosi.
I'm quite over him, but I have retained the lessons that I learned from the corruption of his administration.
For example: I learned that the national economy can run even if the ruling administration is utterly corrupt.
I also learned never to trust the political left, because even those who are well inteintioned still ask for more regulatory power than even the most benevolent government should ever be givin...

Lake Pirate
07-06-2004, 12:25 PM
Benovolent goverment? Where? When? You mean like Chauncy Gardner?
Exactly what "Draconian" laws did Clinton implement? I musta been with the other liberals tripping on x and raising money to clean up the Woodstock site for preservation and historical recognition at the time?

Debbolas
07-06-2004, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by eliminatedsprinter
I'm quite over him, but I have retained the lessons that I learned from the corruption of his administration.
For example: I learned that the national economy can run even if the ruling administration is utterly corrupt.
I also learned never to trust the political left, because even those who are well inteintioned still ask for more regulatory power than even the most benevolent government should ever be givin...
Don't forget the left wing conspiricy that made up all those stories about Monica & Bill;)
Talk about degragation of our society, I wouldn't let my daughter work for him!

eliminatedsprinter
07-06-2004, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by Debbolas
Don't forget the left wing conspiricy that made up all those stories about Monica & Bill;)
Talk about degragation of our society, I wouldn't let my daughter work for him!
I could care less about what he did with Monica. The only way that hurt our country, that I could see, is that it distracted the press away from the real problems that administration had...

Debbolas
07-06-2004, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by eliminatedsprinter
I could care less about what he did with Monica. The only way that hurt our country, that I could see, is that it distracted the press away from the real problems that administration had...
That is the difference between you and I.
You don't care what he did.
I wouldn't let my daughter work for him.

eliminatedsprinter
07-06-2004, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by Debbolas
That is the difference between you and I.
You don't care what he did.
I wouldn't let my daughter work for him.
I wouldn't let a daughter work for him either. My point is it's not the most unethical thing his administration did. Yet it gobbled up all the media attn. Afterall, those crooks distroyed peoples lives....

Lake Pirate
07-06-2004, 02:17 PM
Crooks destroying lives? Draconian politics? This is some good stuff. You talking about White Water? You do know the Clintons were exonerated...right? I'd appreciate some proof of this stuff. It could cause me to come oer to the dark side!
I'll try and not mention the cluster fu*k Bush left behind in Texas. ;)

eliminatedsprinter
07-06-2004, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Benovolent goverment? Where? When? You mean like Chauncy Gardner?
Exactly what "Draconian" laws did Clinton implement? I musta been with the other liberals tripping on x and raising money to clean up the Woodstock site for preservation and historical recognition at the time?
I guess so, only you could know.
I said tried to get. Fortunatly congress and the supreme court wouldn't let him get the most draconian things he wanted.
One example you seem to have missed was when he tried to make the secret service into a palace gaurd by, making them personal confidants of the president. The supreme court spent about 15 min unanimously shutting that fascist Clinton idea down.

MagicMtnDan
07-06-2004, 02:24 PM
Flake Pirate you're a funny guy (not!). You start a thread that looks like it's poking fun but you can't hide the truth any better than Clinton when he said, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."
You're using this thread to get your left wing message to the masses. Thankfully, everyone sees through your Catmando-like BS.
Say, if your boy Kerry does get elected why don't you pony up all the extra taxes he's gonna raise - you shouldn't have a problem paying mine and everyone else's since you so fervently believe in socialism and John Kerry.
PS: you gotta like Kerry's pick for Veep :yuk: when Kerry was running against Edwards he said he wasn't qualified to be President and he also said there's no time for OTJT (On The Job Training). But I guess you don't believe what Kerry says.
BTW, Edwards' claim to fame is that he's ripped millions of $$$ out of peoples' wallets as a very successful lawyer. Yup, a left wing lawyer and an ultra-liberal senator - sounds like a losing ticket to me. We're all hosed if they get elected!

Lake Pirate
07-06-2004, 02:27 PM
I guess it's a matter of interpretation...eh?
My slant was that Clinton felt the Secret Service should not be allowed to write books, edit a made for TV movie or start an insiders website abut their tenure with the Commander in Chief.
I know your comeback is something along the line of "well, a gutter President like Clinton WOULD be worried about what the secret service saw.", but I kinda think he was trying to insure the integrity of the position for all Presidents and not preempting a future tryst expose. (I can't do the little thingy to make it say exposay)

Lake Pirate
07-06-2004, 02:31 PM
Hey magicmountainguy ~ I guess Bush saying Reagans economic plan was "Voo-Doo" economics during his bid for the Presidency was...something different? It's a political race. Like all political races they say whatever it takes. You really believe that stuff? Is Magic Mountain near Never Land? Just askin' so, don't get all snotty. :D

eliminatedsprinter
07-06-2004, 02:39 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Crooks destroying lives? Draconian politics? This is some good stuff. You talking about White Water? You do know the Clintons were exonerated...right? I'd appreciate some proof of this stuff. It could cause me to come oer to the dark side!
I'll try and not mention the cluster fu*k Bush left behind in Texas. ;)
Take a look into the white house travel office. If you look at the facts you will see sociopathic (but just short of criminally incriminating) behavior on the part of Hillery and their staff.
"Filegate" was an act of straight up fascism as well, although plausably deniable, in regards to the presidents personal involvement. It was still 1.000 times worse than watergate in the actual magnitude of the crime.
As for the destrying of lives. I have worked for the federal gov during 4 administrations and have personally met with 4 members of congress (3 Ds and 2 Rs) and 3 cabinet members (all Clinton's) I have some first hand info that I would gladly share at a lake over a few beers, but I couldn't share here.:( Sorry I know it sounds like a bit of a cop out, but that's why I' ve never mentioned that I had any first hand dealings with thier administration before.
As for ruined live's... I'll give you a hint. Ask a rancher in southern Utah. Many were booted off of lands their family's had held for over a hundred years, by executive order, under Clinton's tenure.

boxscore
07-06-2004, 02:44 PM
Haven't seen Catmando for quite some time.... we all became numb to his horseshit after a while. It's clearly obvious that Lakepiehole is the reincarnation.

Lake Pirate
07-06-2004, 02:49 PM
Eliminatedsprinter ~ I'm sure the other tightie rightie's around here will jump on your band wagon so fast you'll think it's going to the liquor store...but...
Those are just allegations. I'm sure you're "in the know" and I am not doubting the veracity of your words but until they are proven (this is still America), they are allegorical.
You don't work for FOX do you? :p

Lake Pirate
07-06-2004, 02:53 PM
I was a gay priest, a right wing anarchist, cabin boy on a slave trader and a ferret in past lives. My numerologist nor tea leaf reader have ever heard of "Catmando" before now. I'll check the Tarot cards and get a butt cheek reader right away to make double dog sure! ;)

eliminatedsprinter
07-06-2004, 03:00 PM
The Utah land grab was not an alligation, it's a matter of public record. I'm also not talking about the disputed "alligations" in the travel office or "filegate" scandals. The facts in these cases, that are documented, puplic record, and not disputed by either side are still atrocious, even if they do fall just a hair short of being legally criminal.

eliminatedsprinter
07-06-2004, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
I was a gay priest, a right wing anarchist, cabin boy on a slave trader and a ferret in past lives. My numerologist nor tea leaf reader have ever heard of "Catmando" before now. I'll check the Tarot cards and get a butt cheek reader right away to make double dog sure! ;)
Bravo!!!! I'll give you props!!! You are the first person on the political left I have ever met who knew enough to equate anarchy with the political right... Most of them compare the right to fascism, which was (in the 1930s) a left leaning political economic comprimise ideology.

Lake Pirate
07-06-2004, 03:08 PM
Are you talking about Utah's Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument? The environmental vote scandal? Those were already government lands if you are. I don't know of any ranchers losing their home or land over that. I'd be happy to read a link? It's not like Clinton is a relative or anything. I liked some things he did and I disliked some things he did. I do not subscribe to blind allegiance.

eliminatedsprinter
07-06-2004, 03:52 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Are you talking about Utah's Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument? The environmental vote scandal? Those were already government lands if you are. I don't know of any ranchers losing their home or land over that. I'd be happy to read a link? It's not like Clinton is a relative or anything. I liked some things he did and I disliked some things he did. I do not subscribe to blind allegiance. [/QUO
Not that land. I'm talking about the privatly owned land that the Clinton administration declared "protected". I'll give you a personal example.
My dad's wife's uncle. He's in his 90's. He had a horse ranch near tropic Utah (he bread a small # of some specific and expensive breed of horses) that his grandfater purchased around 100 years ago. Clinton declared the area his ranch was in "protected". He recieved a notice from the federal gov that while he still owned the land, could live on it, and still owed taxes etc on it, he could not raise horses on it, because that could have a negitive evironmental impact. There was no meaningful means of appeal. He was forbidden from earning his living off of that land and the taxes and fees etc were piling up. He tried to sell the land, but know one wanted to buy a ranch you couldn't ranch on. Until good old Uncle Sam came along and offerd to take it off his hands, for pennies on the dollar of what it was worth prior to Clinton's "protection order". If this man saw W.J.C. today he would shoot on sight..It was a horrable ordeal for their whole family, to loose such beutiful land that the family had owned for so long in such a cheesy underhanded way....

Lake Pirate
07-06-2004, 04:40 PM
I'll do some reseach but it's my understanding that lands absorbed by the environmental and monument act were non taxed and also "grandfathered" to protect owner interest. This would make resell pretty bad because the "grandfather" clause would be nullified but other than that, I remember it being semi fair. I'll reread it one of these days when I get motivated and we'll pick up the conversation. Sorry about your grandfather.
BTW, all that environmental crap by both parties is just that...vote seeking crap!

AzDon
07-06-2004, 06:21 PM
My nephew's dad's cousin made a lot of money as a daytrader during the Clinton years working from his house using the net, tv financial news networks, and the newspapers as they arrived at his night job at AMPM.
Unfortunately for "uncle Bill", he believed that the (s)election of BushJr would be a great confidence builder for the stock market, since most of the "big money" investors are GOP. He lost everything when the stock market tanked beginning the day after the (s)election. He blamed Bush, saying those GOP money guys exhibited a lack of confidence in Bush or, worse, had pulled their funds and confidence based on insider info. Bill died in a flophouse motel room surrounded by family pics of better days and other pics of the toys he had dreamed of buying himself. He died of lead poisoning administered to the back of his throat by a shotgun. Rest in Peace!

Blown 472
07-06-2004, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by AzDon
My nephew's dad's cousin made a lot of money as a daytrader during the Clinton years working from his house using the net, tv financial news networks, and the newspapers as they arrived at his night job at AMPM.
Unfortunately for "uncle Bill", he believed that the (s)election of BushJr would be a great confidence builder for the stock market, since most of the "big money" investors are GOP. He lost everything when the stock market tanked beginning the day after the (s)election. He blamed Bush, saying those GOP money guys exhibited a lack of confidence in Bush or, worse, had pulled their funds and confidence based on insider info. Bill died in a flophouse motel room surrounded by family pics of better days and other pics of the toys he had dreamed of buying himself. He died of lead poisoning administered to the back of his throat by a shotgun. Rest in Peace!
How does that work the day after the election it all goes to shit?

Lake Pirate
07-06-2004, 10:36 PM
I'm pretty sure that scenario is only historically indicitave of a Republican replacing a Democrat. Really!
(Somebody will google it.)

eliminatedsprinter
07-07-2004, 08:49 AM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
I'll do some reseach but it's my understanding that lands absorbed by the environmental and monument act were non taxed and also "grandfathered" to protect owner interest. This would make resell pretty bad because the "grandfather" clause would be nullified but other than that, I remember it being semi fair. I'll reread it one of these days when I get motivated and we'll pick up the conversation. Sorry about your grandfather.
BTW, all that environmental crap by both parties is just that...vote seeking crap!
It wasn't my gradfather, it was a more distant relative. If you have to be sorry for him, so do I, as I voted for Clinton in 92 as well.
As a 20+ year federal employee, I can tell you the time we were under his administration were rough. They just seeemed to piss away money, spread confusion, and operate without any regard for ethics at all. I realize the above is just one anicdote, but things like this happend to thousands of people and to this day W.J.C. is pretty much the most hated man in southern Utah because of it.

Debbolas
07-07-2004, 08:55 AM
AND............When his staff left the White House they took all the W & C keys off the typewriters (or so I heard);)

Petrofied
07-07-2004, 09:01 AM
Lake Pirate for President??? :D

Lake Pirate
07-07-2004, 09:05 AM
AND............When his staff left the White House they took all the W & C keys off the typewriters (or so I heard)
he he...at least they were racially diverse?
esprinter ~ I understand your disillusionment with the Clinton administration, because certain policies affected you directly. However, each administration makes decisions and policies that affect a portion of the populace negatively. I am sure that there are many many parents and relatives of young men and women killed in Iraq that share a plethora of negativity towards the Bush administration (as well as a host of small businessmen.) It depends on which end of the cattle prod you receive.

eliminatedsprinter
07-07-2004, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
he he...at least they were racially diverse?
esprinter ~ I understand your disillusionment with the Clinton administration, because certain policies affected you directly. However, each administration makes decisions and policies that affect a portion of the populace negatively. I am sure that there are many many parents and relatives of young men and women killed in Iraq that share a plethora of negativity towards the Bush administration (as well as a host of small businessmen.) It depends on which end of the cattle prod you receive.
True enough. However, I don't know any small bisinessmen who are anti Bush out here where I live. Here in L.A. small bsinessmen are an endangered species (thanks to 20+ years of local Dem rule) and they tend to vote strongly republican.

Lake Pirate
07-07-2004, 10:51 AM
However, I don't know any small bisinessmen who are anti Bush out here where I live.
I think that's probably true in most larger cities. In smaller towns there is less momentum to drive business so we feel the repurcussions pretty quick. Out here in the "tooley-wads" we have seen a severe downside since 2000. Of course 9/11 didn't help much, so I can't blame it all on Bush but, the stock market, Enron, Worldcom, economic instability, etc have had a devastating affect on our local economies. Even my Republican banker admits we have been hurt by it all. Most people only read the headlines and don't realize the domino affect these things have had on cottage industry and ancillary business.

eliminatedsprinter
07-07-2004, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
I think that's probably true in most larger cities. In smaller towns there is less momentum to drive business so we feel the repurcussions pretty quick. Out here in the "tooley-wads" we have seen a severe downside since 2000. Of course 9/11 didn't help much, so I can't blame it all on Bush but, the stock market, Enron, Worldcom, economic instability, etc have had a devastating affect on our local economies. Even my Republican banker admits we have been hurt by it all. Most people only read the headlines and don't realize the domino affect these things have had on cottage industry and ancillary business.
All of todays inner cities have been dominated politically by Dems for the last 30+ years, you should feel lucky your problems are a subtle as they are compared to places that are Dem run.. Just look at the test scores in dem controlleds school districts and compare them to those of districts that have been under republican control for a comprable length of time. I'm a regesterd Dem, but I'm not blind to terrible left turn the party has taken. My god they picked Nancy Pelosi as house minority leader how looney left could they go from there??????What kind of party picks a nut like her to be it's house leader, believe me I would be just as critical of the Reps if they picked David Duke, but the Reps don't currently embrace their most Loony right wing fringe the way today's Dems are embracing their nutty fringe. Geeezzee Democratic Cogresswoman Maxine Waters actually flew around with and in support of, that sick demented thug Jean Bertrand Aristide just a few weeks ago. How sick is that????That guy makes PaPa Doc and Baby Doc seem like Mister Rogers for god's sake....

Lake Pirate
07-07-2004, 12:15 PM
Are you kidding? The Bush regime has showed nothing but compassion for Aristide. Even Colin Powell (about the only one I liked) tried to get a "share of power" for Aristide when the Haiti's denounced him. Bush offered him solace, safety and even use of our executive priviledge for negotiating his power back. C'mon man... are you sure you aren't a mole for the GOP?

eliminatedsprinter
07-07-2004, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Are you kidding? The Bush regime has showed nothing but compassion for Aristide. Even Colin Powell (about the only one I liked) tried to get a "share of power" for Aristide when the Haiti's denounced him. Bush offered him solace, safety and even use of our executive priviledge for negotiating his power back. C'mon man... are you sure you aren't a mole for the GOP?
I agree they were being PC and afraid of being Demagogued for helping to oust a Black leader. But it was Clinton who refused to listen to the strong objections of his own state dept and put that monster back in power, even thougth the whole world new he was a mentally ill sociopath and it is the Dems (mostly those in the Black Caucas, who have recieved money that according to Canadian invetigators has been laundered through U.S. sources to them) that are openly supporting and embracing him now. Plus, I heard Powell State the he would support no plan that envolved putting Aristide back in power. While the Dems I have personally heard speak on the subject have just been ranting on about how we should not have removed him and spreading the sick lie that he was a legally elected leader.....

Lake Pirate
07-07-2004, 12:55 PM
I dunno... I'm no expert on foreign policy but, it seems to me, with the past discontent caused by the Duvaliers' the Clinton era was just looking for some stability in the region. I'm not taking up for Clinton, (after all didn't Nixon offer refuge to The Shah of Iran? And I liked Nixon!) but it's hard to change gears once you commit politically and economically. I ask you to remember Sandanista, Nicaragua, Salvador and Iran. And let's not forget Pol Pot, who received a blind eye by both the Dems and Reps!

eliminatedsprinter
07-07-2004, 01:07 PM
Wow, this thread started with a funny joke and it has wound up in Haiti...:rolleyes: I think we all need a beer and some time with our boats running well at the lake.:cool: :cool:

AzDon
07-07-2004, 01:19 PM
Originally posted by Blown 472
How does that work the day after the election it all goes to shit?
Simple, The Stock Market's success turns on the confidence displayed by the big money players in the form of either investing/adding money/showing confidence/creating demand/ increasing prices ....OR.... pulling their funds out/ showing "no confidence"/creating an oversupply/ depressing prices.
Since the stock market has nothing real to sell- only confidence- It can tank in a single day if enough of the shares go on the "must sell" market.
You would think that the "Big Money" investors, being mostly Republicans, would have shown their new President a little more courtesy by leaving their money in and keeping the prices up!
What were they afraid of??

Lake Pirate
07-07-2004, 02:14 PM
Indeed!

Lake Pirate
07-07-2004, 02:16 PM
Wow, this thread started with a funny joke and it has wound up in Haiti... I think we all need a beer and some time with our boats running well at the lake.
lol
It's sumpin' to do.

OGShocker
07-07-2004, 02:28 PM
Hey you chicken little liberals!
Explain this?
Reprinted from the AP without permission.
(AP) - The economy appears headed for a banner year despite a springtime spike in energy prices and a recent increase in interest rates.
In fact, many analysts are forecasting that the overall economy, as measured by the gross domestic product, will grow by 4.6 percent or better this year, the fastest in two decades.
There were strong 4.5 percent growth rates in 1997 and 1999, when Bill Clinton was president and the country was in the midst of a record 10-year expansion.
But if this year's growth ends up a bit faster than that, it will be the best since the economy roared ahead at a 7.2 percent rate in 1984, a year when another Republican president - Ronald Reagan - was running for re-election.
"We are moving into a sweet spot for the economy with interest rates not too high, jobs coming back and business investment providing strength," said Diane Swonk, chief economist at Bank One in Chicago, who is predicting GDP growth of 4.8 percent this year.
President Bush is highlighting the improving economy at every opportunity while Democratic challenger John Kerry has focused on what he calls a middle class squeeze of rising health and tuition costs and laid-off workers forced to take lower-paying jobs.
Who will win on the all-important pocketbook issues? Economists aren't sure.
"It is unclear whether voters will remember the past year and the better jobs created during that period or the past four years," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Economy.com. "It will be a close call and that is one of the reasons the election could be so close."
Assessing the economy at midyear, most private economists are sticking with the optimistic forecasts they had six months ago, even though inflation, driven by surging energy prices, rose higher than expected and the Federal Reserve started raising interest rates last month.
"We are looking for a darn good year despite the fact that we had a big jump in oil prices and interest rates are going up faster than people thought would occur," said David Wyss, chief economist at Standard & Poor's in New York.
Offsetting those drags on the economy has been stronger growth in Japan and China, which helps U.S. exports, better-than-expected consumer spending and much better job growth than analysts were expecting as the year began.
The economy has now created 1.5 million new jobs since last August, compared with a loss of 2.7 million jobs in the previous 29 months, when the country was struggling with a string of blows from a collapsing stock market to a recession and terrorist attacks.
Even with the 10 months of consecutive job gains, Bush is still facing a 1.2 million jobs deficit, from the last peak for employment in March 2001.
However, many analysts anticipate the economy will generate around 200,000 jobs per month over the next six months, a pace that would be enough to erase his deficit figure by the end of the year. That would enable him to escape being the only president since Herbert Hoover in the Great Depression to have lost jobs while in office.
Although the economy created only 112,000 jobs in June, after averaging 304,000 jobs for the previous three months, analysts expect strong job growth the rest of this year.
They predict the unemployment rate - stuck at 5.6 percent for most of this year - will improve gradually, to 5.3 percent by December, as a strengthening job market draws people back into the labor force.
Analysts also are optimistic about inflation in the months ahead, noting that oil prices recently retreated from peaks above $42 per barrel in June, and regular gasoline have declined from highs over $2 a gallon in late May. If the trend continues, inflation pressures will be eased.
The Bond Market Association's economic advisory committee, made up of economists from large financial institutions, is predicting that consumer prices will rise 3.1 percent for all of this year, a significant moderation from the 5.1 percent rate of increase through May.
The group projects overall GDP growth will be at a 20-year high of 4.7 percent, based in part on a belief that the Fed will keep to its pledge of moderation in future rate hikes because of the absence of inflation pressures.

Lake Pirate
07-07-2004, 02:32 PM
Up 4.5 % from where is the pertinent question? That's like saying the stock market made a 200% leap setting a 100 year record when in fact it was down 300% the day before.

AzDon
07-07-2004, 04:01 PM
Don't confuse me with numbers....my industry (trucking) has been in decline for 20 years in terms of working conditions and wage prospects. Companies too numerous to count have disappeared entirely because the wages they paid became unjustifiable in light of the rate competition/pricing. Is it fair to describe low-wage, replacement jobs as "new jobs"? Is being busier really a good thing if your wage rate is lower than it was? I'm sure it's good for the numbers, but let me suggest that there's a credibility gap between numbers and real improvement in the lives of wage-earners
It's people, not corporations, that vote!
People will vote based on their perception of whether PEOPLE around them are doing better now than 4 years ago and who they believe will deliver a better America during the next 4!
Will a MAJORITY of PEOPLE agree that the last 4 were good?
Good Question!!

eliminatedsprinter
07-07-2004, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by AzDon
Don't confuse me with numbers....my industry (trucking) has been in decline for 20 years in terms of working conditions and wage prospects. Companies too numerous to count have disappeared entirely because the wages they paid became unjustifiable in light of the rate competition/pricing. Is it fair to describe low-wage, replacement jobs as "new jobs"? Is being busier really a good thing if your wage rate is lower than it was? I'm sure it's good for the numbers, but let me suggest that there's a credibility gap between numbers and real improvement in the lives of wage-earners
It's people, not corporations, that vote!
People will vote based on their perception of whether PEOPLE around them are doing better now than 4 years ago and who they believe will deliver a better America during the next 4!
Will a MAJORITY of PEOPLE agree that the last 4 were good?
Good Question!!
WooHooo AzDon we agree on something. The low unemployment figures of both now and during the Clinton years are misleading. Because many lower wage earners have (during both periods)had to work more than one job to make ends meet and during both periods many people were "employed" but only could find part time work. Thus making the low unemployment rate less valid of an economic indicator than it might seem. Of course, one thing I have learned is that most of the pop stats and so called economic indicators that are thrown around by the press and our politicians are valid indicators of nothing and are considered worthless by most real economists.
What to you think Busti? If I remeber correctly, you have a better education in economics than most of us here. Is what I said basically correct???

Dr. Eagle
07-19-2004, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by hugh jascock
KINDA makes you wonder if this thread was true!
Ya THINK?????:mad:

Dr. Eagle
07-19-2004, 10:08 AM
Originally posted by hugh jascock
i did think once but now i try not to! :mad: ;)

Kilrtoy
07-19-2004, 10:16 AM
So what happened...
Did they try a Jihad

Dr. Eagle
07-19-2004, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by Kilrtoy
So what happened...
Did they try a Jihad
When you tried to get into the forum... this was all you got...
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You make the call....

Lake Pirate
07-19-2004, 10:25 AM
Told ya! :yuk:
Damn... I'm like Nostrodamus? :cool:

rrrr
07-19-2004, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by AzDon
My nephew's dad's cousin made a lot of money as a daytrader during the Clinton years working from his house using the net, tv financial news networks, and the newspapers as they arrived at his night job at AMPM.
Unfortunately for "uncle Bill", he believed that the (s)election of BushJr would be a great confidence builder for the stock market, since most of the "big money" investors are GOP. He lost everything when the stock market tanked beginning the day after the (s)election. He blamed Bush, saying those GOP money guys exhibited a lack of confidence in Bush or, worse, had pulled their funds and confidence based on insider info. Bill died in a flophouse motel room surrounded by family pics of better days and other pics of the toys he had dreamed of buying himself. He died of lead poisoning administered to the back of his throat by a shotgun. Rest in Peace!
Hey Don, this is buIIshlt of the highest order. The stock market traded within a range of less than 5% for three months after the election. It varied less than 10% the remainder of the year.....until September 11th.
Quit making up stuff.
The guy worked at AM PM and he was a daytrader? Hahahahahahahaha. No wonder he shot himself. Convenience store clerks shouldn't play the market. He lost his ass and couldn't face the music.
http://www.markettrace.com/us/archieve/2000/dji.jsp

Seadog
07-19-2004, 11:46 AM
As someone with investments in the stock market, I can tell you that the stock market was going downhill fast in the final months of Clinton's administration. It was the Reagan/Bush years that caused the stock market recovery. Clinton rode the recovery to death. The market under GW Bush was showing a mild recovery before 9/11.
Knowing the AzDon family, I wouldn't be surprised if Uncle Bill was executed for banking on a republican or for trying to make money from 'big business'.

Dr. Eagle
07-19-2004, 12:08 PM
Daytrading is an inherently dangerous pursuit in the best of times. The stock market was already in a "correction" months before GW was (E)elected. GW made the statement many times during the election campaign that the economy was slowing down and entering a recession. He was mocked by the Clintonians as trying to put "fear" in peoples minds to get himself elected.
Didn't take a rocket scientist to see what was coming. The recession was well underway when GW was inaugurated. Sorry about your relative, but you can't blame this one on anyone but the person involved in Daytrading. A bad career choice.

JakeAisA
07-19-2004, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Eagle
Daytrading is an inherently dangerous pursuit in the best of times. The stock market was already in a "correction" months before GW was (E)elected. GW made the statement many times during the election campaign that the economy was slowing down and entering a recession. He was mocked by the Clintonians as trying to put "fear" in peoples minds to get himself elected.
Didn't take a rocket scientist to see what was coming. The recession was well underway when GW was inaugurated. Sorry about your relative, but you can't blame this one on anyone but the person involved in Daytrading. A bad career choice.
Dr. Eagle is absolutely correct. If anybody remembers anything at all around the time of the 2000 election, the Democrats were already blaming Bush for the economy BEFORE he was even elected. Then, they turned up the Rhetoric BEFORE his inauguration. As someone who was in Business schoool from 1996-2000, I can tell you that Bush had nothing to do with the recession. Why? Because I had proffessors calling the recession as early as 1997. I had Investments professors shorting Qualcom, Priceline, and many others for over two years, starting way back in 97. The recession came late--years late.

LASERRAY
07-19-2004, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Told ya! :yuk:
Damn... I'm like Nostrodamus? :cool: Hey Butt Pirate, Tongue my balls.:p You like that?
TOLD YA!!!:D :p :p :)

Lake Pirate
07-19-2004, 03:41 PM
Are you sure you have balls? Have you looked lately? Bein' an internet tough guy isn't exactly masculine. You shouldn't stand so close to the laser, Ray. It might melt a few brain cells. OK...mebbe all of them?

LASERRAY
07-19-2004, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by Lake Pirate
Are you sure you have balls? Have you looked lately? Bein' an internet tough guy isn't exactly masculine. You shouldn't stand so close to the laser, Ray. It might melt a few brain cells. OK...mebbe all of them? Last time I checked................................!:D
I just had to give you a swift kick LP. It's been awhile.;)

Lake Pirate
07-19-2004, 04:02 PM
Yep... definitely all of them!

Dr. Eagle
07-19-2004, 04:05 PM
DOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!! (http://www.fedex.com/us/about/advertising/tvads/dramawm.html?link=4)

rrrr
07-19-2004, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by AzDon
Don't confuse me with numbers....my industry (trucking) has been in decline for 20 years in terms of working conditions and wage prospects. Companies too numerous to count have disappeared entirely because the wages they paid became unjustifiable in light of the rate competition/pricing. Is it fair to describe low-wage, replacement jobs as "new jobs"? Is being busier really a good thing if your wage rate is lower than it was? I'm sure it's good for the numbers, but let me suggest that there's a credibility gap between numbers and real improvement in the lives of wage-earners
It's people, not corporations, that vote!
People will vote based on their perception of whether PEOPLE around them are doing better now than 4 years ago and who they believe will deliver a better America during the next 4!
Will a MAJORITY of PEOPLE agree that the last 4 were good?
Good Question!!
Hey, Mr. Obvious, perhaps you need to buy a clue. In the decades surrounding the year 1900, railroad companies, steel mills, and coal mining concerns were the most powerful business entities on Earth.
Their power was slashed by the advent of the petroleum industry, and the development of hydroelectric and natural gas power plants. Unions and the inability of the steel companies to adapt sealed their fate. Can you name a major U. S. coal producer? The great Midwestern steel mills are ghost towns, brought down by a combination of mismanagement and union greed.
When then American markets like the steel and textile industries could no longer compete with imports, that work shifted to "third world" countries. Those goods were brought into the U. S. because of cheaper prices, but the Longshoremen and Teamsters demanded their cut of the action. Never in the history of the Industrial Revolution has there been more greed exhibited by minor players approaching that of the Longshoremen and Teamsters.
In a clear free market response (a term you have no concept of), the goods suppliers developed INTERMODAL transportation. When a container ship reaches the Port of Houston, the containers are unloaded and placed directly on trailers. They are driven about ten miles to a railroad yard next to Hobby Airport, and loaded on rail cars for regional distribution. After the rail cars arrive at distribution yards, the goods are again transferred to container transport trailers.
These trailers are driven directly to distribution centers and in some cases retail outlets like Home Depot and Target. The opportunity for breakdown and distribution disappeared because of inefficiencies and unreasonable costs.
Now, you are just like a million other guys; someone who owns a tractor and needs to make a living. When I need a load, I post it on all the usual places, and some poor bastard in a truck stop calls me within an hour.
As the cost reaches the return, people will leave the business. That's how capitalism works. I feel sorry for you, but I dont mourn your passing. Competition is what makes our economy work. If you can't play, you lose. Your "brothers" dug your grave. Looking for help from the government means you admit you are a failure.
No one is helping me.

Dr. Eagle
07-19-2004, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by rrrr
No one is helping me.
Sorry man, that was well written, thoughtful and pretty difficult for our arrogant liberal friends to argue.