Ufc

[RAMROD]

Not that I ever cared much for wrestling, although I was a big fan of Hulk Hogan, The Road Warriors, the Von Erichs, Macho Man Randy Savage, The Ultimate Warrior, just to name a few. Does it seem that the UFC is taking over a large share of the audience? I mean, it isn't fake or as some call it staged. I am well aware that steroids have been an issue in wrestling, and most fans could care less. What about the UFC? Are they tested? Would there be a huge outcry from fans if these guys used steroids, as in baseball?

[unleashed]

Not that I ever cared much for wrestling, although I was a big fan of Hulk Hogan, The Road Warriors, the Von Erichs, Macho Man Randy Savage, The Ultimate Warrior, just to name a few. Does it seem that the UFC is taking over a large share of the audience? I mean, it isn't fake or as some call it staged. I am well aware that steroids have been an issue in wrestling, and most fans could care less. What about the UFC? Are they tested? Would there be a huge outcry from fans if these guys used steroids, as in baseball?
About 80% use steroids...Suposebly the test...yeah right!
Deano

[NOTALENT]

Fock it...for all I care they can all be on steroids....imagine how much more intsense the fights would be..... :rollside: Although I would hate to sparr one of them.... :D

[dmontzsta]

I watched wrestling, when I was a kid. Once I got into high school and joined wrestling myself, I realized the WWF was pretty damn lame.
UFC is REAL SHIT that is what sets it apart, you dont have the soap opera.
BTW: Tomorrow night is the season premier of TUF 3 with Shamrock and Ortiz as coaches, also it is an Ultimate Fight Night.

[moneypit]

About 80% use steroids...Suposebly the test...yeah right!
Deano
Deano-
As a treating physician of many UFC fighters, I have to say that your statement is absolutely wrong. I have been treating fighters for many many years. I have attended these fights from the small indian casino to the MGM. I have been to the training studios and behind the scenes for along time. I can honestly say that the topic is brought up quite often. But the vibe is always negative to the concept. Im not saying that roids have been involved. Ken Shamrock or Mark Kerr and Coleman are a few that come to mind. But the vast amounts of fighters do not take steroids.
I will say that pain killers have been a problem in what I have seen and heard. I do believe that UFC, pride and the other organizations should start screening for illegal drugs.

[unleashed]

Deano-
As a treating physician of many UFC fighters, I have to say that your statement is absolutely wrong. I have been treating fighters for many many years. I have attended these fights from the small indian casino to the MGM. I have been to the training studios and behind the scenes for along time. I can honestly say that the topic is brought up quite often. But the vibe is always negative to the concept. Im not saying that roids have been involved. Ken Shamrock or Mark Kerr and Coleman are a few that come to mind. But the vast amounts of fighters do not take steroids.
I will say that pain killers have been a problem in what I have seen and heard. I do believe that UFC, pride and the other organizations should start screening for illegal drugs.
Not sure about what fighters you have screened or tested...but I have been behind the scenes...and can tell you that many take performance enhancing drugs...from growth hormones, steroids, clenbuterol(for cutting down).etc. etc. There are many secrets as to how they beat screening tests. Im not doubting what you believe or have seen. Im just going from first hand experience with some of these guys and I'll leave it at that. I really dont care if they do or dont. So we both have witnessed both sides of the fences.
Deano
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[Charley]

Deano-
As a treating physician of many UFC fighters, I have to say that your statement is absolutely wrong. I have been treating fighters for many many years. I have attended these fights from the small indian casino to the MGM. I have been to the training studios and behind the scenes for along time. I can honestly say that the topic is brought up quite often. But the vibe is always negative to the concept. Im not saying that roids have been involved. Ken Shamrock or Mark Kerr and Coleman are a few that come to mind. But the vast amounts of fighters do not take steroids.
I will say that pain killers have been a problem in what I have seen and heard. I do believe that UFC, pride and the other organizations should start screening for illegal drugs.
That's pretty cool MP .... since you are a fan whats your opinion on a st pierre/Hughes rematch?

[unleashed]

By the way...steroids can only help you so much. I believe the heavy users in the long run are pron to more injuries. The more muscle mass you have the more oxygen you need...thats why alot of the users tire out quickly.
Deano
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[Charley]

The more muscle mass you have the more oxygen you need...thats why alot of the users tire out quickly.
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Is this why I smoke 2 packs a day and can still run a marathon? :D

[unleashed]

Also Im not sure if UFC has testing yet but I know they do in Nevada. This happened a few years ago. I would think they should test every fighter that fights in a championship bout for the UFC. That would clear the air regarding steroids!
Allegations of Steroid Use Hits MMA -
Current UFC Champion Josh Barnett
Named in NSAC Complaint
By Loretta Hunt
A bombshell was dropped on the mixed martial arts community late Wednesday, when it was reported that current UFC Heavyweight Champion Josh Barnett had tested positive for steroid use. Barnett voluntarily submitted to a urinalysis following his victory over former champion Randy Couture at UFC 36, held on March 22, 2002 in Las Vegas, Nevada. Upon receipt of the test results, Barnett had been verbally notified of the outcome during the week of April 15th and a formal written complaint, filed by the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC), was mailed to him one week later.
In the complaint released by Keith Kizer, Chief Deputy Attorney General and acting legal counsel for the NSAC, alleged violations included the use of the anabolic steroids Boldenone Metabolite, Fluoxymesterone Metabolite and Nandrolone Metabolite -- drugs or injections that are not approved for use by the NSAC.
Kizer confirmed that all sixteen competitors that evening had gone through standard drug testing, which includes testing for marijuana among other foreign substances (including masking agents), but not steroids. However, the four participants of the title fights -- Barnett, Randy Couture, Matt Hughes, and Hayato Sakurai -- were tested additionally for steroids. Barnett's urinalysis was the sole sample of the four to come back positive. All steroid tests were administered following the fights.
Barnett has twenty days to respond in writing to the allegations. At this time, he can admit to or deny the facts alleged in the complaint. Then, a hearing will be scheduled at the Commission's offices, where Barnett will have the opportunity to plead his case himself or through an attorney of his choice before the five-member board, chaired by Luther Mack. Marc Ratner, the Executive Director of the NSAC, will present the evidence relevant to the case at the proceedings, with Kizer there to assist him. If Barnett fails to appear at these hearings, a decision can still be reached in his absence. Explains Kizer, "The Commission must first decide whether or not there is sufficient evidence to show that Barnett did indeed use these non-approved drugs or injections. We use very high quality labs, so it will be hard for him to argue otherwise, but he's free to do so and he may be successful. If he is, then it ends right there." If the Commission does find sufficient evidence to prove that Barnett did use at least one of named anabolic agents, the fighter will then be penalized.
Presuming that he is found guilty, Barnett's license to fight in Nevada could be suspended for any given period of time deemed appropriate by the Commission, including permanent suspension or revocation of license. The least severe response would be to give Barnett a warning. In lieu of or in addition to the suspension or revocation of his license, the NSAC can also administer a penalty not to exceed $250,000 or 100% of Barnett's fighting purse, whichever is greater.
The NSAC does not have the jurisdiction to decide the status of the UFC Heavyweight title, which exchanged hands the night of testing. Says Kizer, "As the rules currently stand, there is no basis to overturn the decision [of the fight], and again, the belt is something that's beyond our control. The Commission does have the right in the future, if they so desire, to change their regulations to include something like this." For now, any determination to revoke the Heavyweight belt from Barnett, rule the fight a no contest, or even reinstate Couture as champion are all considerations left in the hands of the UFC's owners, Zuffa Sports Entertainment. When asked what the UFC may be considering in response to the allegations, UFC president Dana White had this to say, "There's nothing we can do. Really for me to say anything right now... I can't without seeing what the Commission says."
The NSAC has jurisdiction over the sports of boxing, kickboxing, "Toughman" competitions, as well as MMA, which it sanctioned as a sport in July of 2001. Starting January 1, 2002, the NSAC took a more aggressive stance with its drug testing and began regularly testing for steroids in title fights for all its unarmed combat sports. Josh Barnett's case is the first instance the Commission has ever had in which an unarmed combat sports competitor has tested positive for the anabolic agent. The only "similar" circumstance the Nevada Commission has had in the realm of MMA came last year, when UFC competitor Bobby Hoffman tested positive for marijuana and one of its masking agents following November's UFC 34. The Commission ruled to suspend Hoffman from the sport for one year. Will that case hold any precedent to this current one? Says Kizer, "The Commission has been used to marijuana or cocaine as being the drug that been tested positive in its competitors in the past, and those drugs usually aren't considered performance enhancing. This might be something to treat differently because it is something possibly or probably performance enhancing, but that's something the Commission will have to decide when they hold their regulations meeting in Nevada."
When reached for comment in Hawaii, where he is currently attending the SuperBrawl event, Barnett had this to say regarding the turn of events. "There's more to this than meets the eye." Matt Hume, Barnett's manager and trainer, could not be reached for comment.
It is public knowledge that Josh Barnett is in current contract negotiations with Zuffa, and rumors have run rampant regarding his future with the UFC as well as numerous MMA promotions around the world. When asked how these recent developments will effect negotiations with Barnett, again White stated, "It depends on what the Athletic Commission decides. If he gets suspended for a certain amount of time... it's serious. It's very serious. You have to look at us as a company and the money we've invested in Josh Barnett to build him up to the spot where he fights for the title, wins it, but then it doesn't count -- because he cheated?" But keeping in mind that the allegations are currently just that, he added, "The bottom line is, at the end of the day, we can talk and speculate all we want. Until he has a hearing, we really can't speculate or make any decisions till we find out. But if that was the case that he is guilty, then that would be my position." As for rumors that Barnett was or is being courted by rival promotions and how these new developments fit in with that, White had this to say: "This has nothing to do with him wanting to go to Japan or anything like that. All of that is speculation, too. Every conversation we've ever had with Matt Hume and Josh Barnett is that Josh and Matt are fairly dealing with us and us alone and they want to be a part if the UFC. And we want Josh Barnett to be a part of the UFC, or we wouldn't have made the investment we made putting him in the position for a title. As for the contract negotiations, I'm in them right now with Josh. I want Josh. I want him to be a part of the UFC, but it's all going to depend on how this thing ends up with the Commission."
Following a ruling by the NSAC, is there the possibility the Commission will suggest a course of action to Zuffa regarding Barnett's case? "No. I can't imagine we would. We're strictly under our own regulations - what, if any, discipline should be given to his license, and that's where we leave it at." says Kizer. Once Barnett responds to the charges, the formal hearing may not be scheduled for months, meaning a resolution to this situation is a long way off. At that time, the ball will then be in Zuffa's court as to Josh Barnett's future in the UFC. Claiming to just have gotten news of the allegations on Wednesday, Dana White says he is just coming to grips with the whole situation himself. "We really don't know what to do. We're going to sit back and see how this thing unfolds." As will the world of MMA

[BigDoug]

I can tell you first hand about John Cena (WWE current champ) is a former "natural" body builder.
John was a wrestling teacher for our wrestling school and was a favorite at our shows too, he went under the name "prototype"
John believes in a healthy body and mind and preached this to our students heavily, he doesn't need to be on roids when he's ripped already the hard way, working hard in the gym, he's a super cool ass guy too. :)

[moneypit]

That's pretty cool MP .... since you are a fan whats your opinion on a st pierre/Hughes rematch?
Lets put it this way, I wouldnt bet on that fight. Hughes has been caught. St. Pierre is a stud no doubt. So I would have to go with an American.

[moneypit]

Not sure about what fighters you have screened or tested...but I have been behind the scenes...and can tell you that many take performance enhancing drugs...from growth hormones, steroids, clenbuterol(for cutting down).etc. etc. There are many secrets as to how they beat screening tests. Im not doubting what you believe or have seen. Im just going from first hand experience with some of these guys and I'll leave it at that. I really dont care if they do or dont. So we both have witnessed both sides of the fences.
Deano
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Understood. Like I said, we know Steroids have been and are used. But 80% of the fighters are not using steroids.

[unleashed]

Understood. Like I said, we know Steroids have been and are used. But 80% of the fighters are not using steroids.
Good enough!
Deano
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[unleashed]

By the way...Im going with Matt...hes freakin strong!
Deano
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[dmontzsta]

I am going with Matt too, I think St.Pierre just needs to have his ass kicked.

[moneypit]

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[Wakker]

St. Pierre vs. Hughes will be interesting. St. Pierre did beat BJ Penn, and Penn is the guy that put Hughes out for the title, then got stripped of it after a contract fued... Hughes is tough as nails with ALOT of heart. I wouldn't put money on it, but I'm hoping Hughes sends that French fag home with his tail between his legs...
Steriods? I doubt it... Supplements? **** yea...

[Charley]

Well remmeber they did already fight once and Hughes submitted him in the first round with like 1 second on the clock, BUT..... St Pierre was a menace to Hughes most of that round and is a much improved fighter since then....I love Matt Hughes, because I am a former wrestler, but If I'm betting my money I would choose ST Pierre in the rematch :crossx: