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[Blown 472]

The problem is, that no agreement with muslims were never wanted. American government has brought the anti-muslim propaganda with the 911 attacks as a part of the new methods of control.
It is important to have badly educated people, as one is not having information about other cultures, nations, religions, it is easily planted on one by media when needed for propaganda purposes.
Here the purpose of anti-muslim propaganda is clear:
To invade Afganistan and Iraq.
It would have been impossible to gain support for those invasions if they were based on facts. But in Information Age, the critical point is information and it's channels. For usual people these are the mainstream media.
It has been well observed in Pentagon and around the world that one should gain control from it.
Getting into the point, western media is deliberately used for spreading hate against muslims and islam.
I had the pleasure of watching cnn at work last night and boy howdy are the neocons setting the stage to attack iran, funny how one little country can dictate the actions of a bigger country and kill our people for their survival.

[Boy Named Sue]

The problem is, that no agreement with muslims were never wanted. American government has brought the anti-muslim propaganda with the 911 attacks as a part of the new methods of control.
It is important to have badly educated people, as one is not having information about other cultures, nations, religions, it is easily planted on one by media when needed for propaganda purposes.
Here the purpose of anti-muslim propaganda is clear:
To invade Afganistan and Iraq.
It would have been impossible to gain support for those invasions if they were based on facts. But in Information Age, the critical point is information and it's channels. For usual people these are the mainstream media.
It has been well observed in Pentagon and around the world that one should gain control from it.
Getting into the point, western media is deliberately used for spreading hate against muslims and islam.
I had the pleasure of watching cnn at work last night and boy howdy are the neocons setting the stage to attack iran, funny how one little country can dictate the actions of a bigger country and kill our people for their survival.
Your points on propaganda are good ones. You sound a little paranoid though. I know this sounds crazy but can anythings face value actually be the truth? Why does everything have to have a deeper sinister plot? Educate me Blown. Since the IRA (I'm Irish and I think those guys were f'ed.) stopped blowing up women and children that business has completely been taken over by radical Islamists. Why is everything the U.S. (that spells US) does bad or evil? I'm being sincere. Where are you coming from?

[Blown 472]

Your points on propaganda are good ones. You sound a little paranoid though. I know this sounds crazy but can anythings face value actually be the truth? Why does everything have to have a deeper sinister plot? Educate me Blown. Since the IRA (I'm Irish and I think those guys were f'ed.) stopped blowing up women and children that business has completely been taken over by radical Islamists. Why is everything the U.S. (that spells US) does bad or evil? I'm being sincere. Where are you coming from?
I am coming from the fear of israel dictating us to do their dirty work under the guise of danger from these countries. Iraq was no more of a threat to us then any other country, wwd blah blah blah look at the former soviet union and all the weapons that went missing, I am sure some of that stuff found it's way into the wrong hands. Now we are beating the drums of war for Iran, what threat are they to the USA??? very little but to israel?? how many americans have to die for that country that we send billions to all ready.

[steelcomp]

I am coming from the fear of israel dictating us to do their dirty work under the guise of danger from these countries. Iraq was no more of a threat to us then any other country, wwd blah blah blah look at the former soviet union and all the weapons that went missing, I am sure some of that stuff found it's way into the wrong hands. Now we are beating the drums of war for Iran, what threat are they to the USA??? very little but to israel?? how many americans have to die for that country that we send billions to all ready.
Blown...do you really sincerely believe what you're saying? That is naive, and although I very much respect your right to your opinion, I'm really thankful that your way of thinking is not policy in this country. What threat is Iran????? Hellloooooo!
BTW...you can stop with the denial of the WMD's and the connection between Iraq and 911. Both have been unequivocaly verified, no thanks to the media, mainstream or otherwise, especially the sources you continually quote. If you're going to make intelligent arguements, start with getting out of the emotional ties of promoting your "agenda" (opinion, position, side, etc.) The election's over. The threats are real, and we're going to deal with them. Like it or not, we are the world leader. We are the (and I hate this term, but it's appropriate) super power, we are the peace keepers, and we are a country of good will. This is a world governed by the agressive use of force, because of people like Saddam, BinLaden, Arafat, and countless others that have preceeded them, and will follow. Our intentions are not nor ever have been to overthrow another country for our benefit. If that were the case, we'd have half the world inside our borders. We'd be taking oil out of Iraq, instead of trying to pay for this ourselves (which I disagree with). WQe feed the world, clothe the world, and send more aid throughout this world than any other country ever has. We welcome all races and religions to this country (legally) and are being taken advantage of indiscriminately. We are suckers for a good or noble cause, and I, for one, am really tired of all the hatred and bashing this country gets from it's own people. Just stop and think what this world wold be lkike if there was no USA...as little as 75 yrs ago. What do you thinnk this world would be like, Blown, if there were not the power of the US to keep the psyco's afraid? What if Hitler HAD succeeded? What if Japan HAD won the war? Do you ever stop to think about that?
You have a lot to be thankful for, and I think it's time you find a little more self worth and be greatful for this country, and do a little more to support it's efforts in this world, and quit "biting the hand that feeds you". Find something to do that you feel good about. There's a great deal of "good" out there, if you "choose" to see it. Bottom line is, it's a choice you make.
This election is a bold statement by the people of this country. It's not so much that the Liberal Democratic party is falling apart, but more that the Republican Conservative party is coming around, and the people of this country are beginning to recognise the BS the Dems have been feeding them for so long. One of the greatest things that came from this election has been the complete stripping and exposing of the media, and how biased and partisan it has become. They can no longer hide behind their lies and deciet under the guise of "fair and impartial journalism".
We are a great and charitable nation, and deserve the support and strength of all our citizens. You can search for all the info you want to support your position, Blown, and it'll be there for you to copy and paste, or hyperlink, but my question to you is why? Life is good, and you need to get happy.
Or not.

[Steve 1]

The problem is, that no agreement with muslims were never wanted. American government has brought the anti-muslim propaganda with the 911 attacks as a part of the new methods of control.
It is important to have badly educated people, as one is not having information about other cultures, nations, religions, it is easily planted on one by media when needed for propaganda purposes.
Here the purpose of anti-muslim propaganda is clear:
To invade Afganistan and Iraq.
It would have been impossible to gain support for those invasions if they were based on facts. But in Information Age, the critical point is information and it's channels. For usual people these are the mainstream media.
It has been well observed in Pentagon and around the world that one should gain control from it.
Getting into the point, western media is deliberately used for spreading hate against muslims and islam.
I had the pleasure of watching cnn at work last night and boy howdy are the neocons setting the stage to attack iran, funny how one little country can dictate the actions of a bigger country and kill our people for their survival.
Well spoken by an uneducated NeoCom you need to ask the countries around these Isles of Paradise if creating a democracy was the right thing to do: That is before sounding like a typical Rat loon...

[Boy Named Sue]

I am coming from the fear of israel dictating us to do their dirty work under the guise of danger from these countries. Iraq was no more of a threat to us then any other country, wwd blah blah blah look at the former soviet union and all the weapons that went missing, I am sure some of that stuff found it's way into the wrong hands. Now we are beating the drums of war for Iran, what threat are they to the USA??? very little but to israel?? how many americans have to die for that country that we send billions to all ready.
Usually I see your stuff and I don't post anything because I am ignorant on a lot of the topics you bring up. However, you are talking out your ass on this one. I'm in danger of sounding like Steelcomp here but I will proceed with caution. Israel does not dictate anything to us. They have no power or influence on us to do so. The "guise of danger" is real. Look into the Six Day War or the Yom Kippur War and then state an opinion. Israel like the United States had to fight a partisan war just to exist except they have been fighting for independence since 1948. Our struggle ended in 1814. Why does the U.S. support Israel? Not because of rich NY and FL jews. They are the fledgling America, the wild west of the middle east, the spirit we wish we still had.
Iran. Do you foolishly think we are in Afghanistan and Iraq for oil or your other silly ass excuses. The real target was and always has been Iran. Osama f'd up on 911 and gave us an excuse to go over there and straighten shit out. Look at a map. Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran right in the middle. The Bush Administration mismanaged the war? Iran couldn't beat Iraq on one front. We got their ass on two fronts. Do you think their nuclear saber rattling is just Kill The Infidel rhetoric? They are fricken scared because their ass in in a vise and they know it. They know and we know what their up to. Libya out of nowhere submits to our will? Those mid east leaders know whats going on and why and Kadafi knows we could roll up his ass in a weekend. Kerry save us from this mess? Like Nixon saved the Dems from VN. All this is bigger than political parties and presidents. Its a tide, a flood, and you're, we, us, are swept up in it. 911 wasn't generated from the inside, it came from the outside. If a vicious dog is biting children on your street, are you going to wait for the county dog catcher to show up or beat that cur's brains in when he craps on your lawn and has your daughter's head in it's jaws? Holy crap! I've become Steelcomp! Must go outside. Sun is shining.

[steelcomp]

Usually I see your stuff and I don't post anything because I am ignorant on a lot of the topics you bring up. However, you are talking out your ass on this one. I'm in danger of sounding like Steelcomp here but I will proceed with caution. Israel does not dictate anything to us. They have no power or influence on us to do so. The "guise of danger" is real. Look into the Six Day War or the Yom Kippur War and then state an opinion. Israel like the United States had to fight a partisan war just to exist except they have been fighting for independence since 1948. Our struggle ended in 1814. Why does the U.S. support Israel? Not because of rich NY and FL jews. They are the fledgling America, the wild west of the middle east, the spirit we wish we still had.
Iran. Do you foolishly think we are in Afghanistan and Iraq for oil or your other silly ass excuses. The real target was and always has been Iran. Osama f'd up on 911 and gave us an excuse to over there and straighten shit out. Kerry save us from this mess? Like Nixon saved the Dems from VN. All this is bigger than political parties and presidents. Its a tide, a flood, and you're, we, us, are swept up in it. 911 wasn't generated from the inside, it came from the outside. If a vicious dog is biting children on your street, are you going to wait for the county dog catcher to show up or beat that cur's brains in when he craps on your lawn and has your daughter's head in it's jaws? Holy crap! I've become Steelcomp! Must go outside. Sun is shining.
Aw, BNS,
I'm touched and honored!! :lightsabe :coffeycup
Flattery will get you nowhere!

[Blown 472]

Usually I see your stuff and I don't post anything because I am ignorant on a lot of the topics you bring up. However, you are talking out your ass on this one. I'm in danger of sounding like Steelcomp here but I will proceed with caution. Israel does not dictate anything to us. They have no power or influence on us to do so. The "guise of danger" is real. Look into the Six Day War or the Yom Kippur War and then state an opinion. Israel like the United States had to fight a partisan war just to exist except they have been fighting for independence since 1948. Our struggle ended in 1814. Why does the U.S. support Israel? Not because of rich NY and FL jews. They are the fledgling America, the wild west of the middle east, the spirit we wish we still had.
Iran. Do you foolishly think we are in Afghanistan and Iraq for oil or your other silly ass excuses. The real target was and always has been Iran. Osama f'd up on 911 and gave us an excuse to go over there and straighten shit out. Look at a map. Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran right in the middle. The Bush Administration mismanaged the war? Iran couldn't beat Iraq on one front. We got their ass on two fronts. Do you think their nuclear saber rattling is just Kill The Infidel rhetoric? They are fricken scared because their ass in in a vise and they know it. They know and we know what their up to. Libya out of nowhere submits to our will? Those mid east leaders know whats going on and why and Kadafi knows we could roll up his ass in a weekend. Kerry save us from this mess? Like Nixon saved the Dems from VN. All this is bigger than political parties and presidents. Its a tide, a flood, and you're, we, us, are swept up in it. 911 wasn't generated from the inside, it came from the outside. If a vicious dog is biting children on your street, are you going to wait for the county dog catcher to show up or beat that cur's brains in when he craps on your lawn and has your daughter's head in it's jaws? Holy crap! I've become Steelcomp! Must go outside. Sun is shining.
Could you please show me one tangable asset we get from supporting israel?? Why dont we support other countries that are trying to do that too?? Say what you will, just keep what I said in the back of your mind when we are attacking other countries and listen to what they say to justify it.

[steelcomp]

Could you please show me one tangable asset we get from supporting israel?? Why dont we support other countries that are trying to do that too?? Say what you will, just keep what I said in the back of your mind when we are attacking other countries and listen to what they say to justify it.
Listen to what they say, according to whom? If you broaden your horizons a little, you might hear something different as well. It's interesting that both sides of the story are out there, with just as compelling evidence and rhetoric. What it really boils down to is that we choose which to believe. None of us is on the inside, none of us is there to really know the truth. We rely on the information we choose to believe. What I think is impportant, is to ask yourself, why do you choose to believe such negative and hateful stuff about the most charitable and giving country on the face of the earth? Is it perfect? NO. Will it ever be? NO. Does your attitude do anything constructive?
NO!!!
Why, then, do you choose to believe what you do?

[Blown 472]

Listen to what they say, according to whom? If you broaden your horizons a little, you might hear something different as well. It's interesting that both sides of the story are out there, with just as compelling evidence and rhetoric. What it really boils down to is that we choose which to believe. None of us is on the inside, none of us is there to really know the truth. We rely on the information we choose to believe. What I think is impportant, is to ask yourself, why do you choose to believe such negative and hateful stuff about the most charitable and giving country on the face of the earth? Is it perfect? NO. Will it ever be? NO. Does your attitude do anything constructive?
NO!!!
Why, then, do you choose to believe what you do?
So then I should just go wif da flow, dont think about what is going on and just be a good litle sheepeople?? I have tried, and trust me I dont like having to think about this shit and what comes from it. I will write this on my hand so I can remember it "The gubment is looking out for MY best interest".