* If you're getting your news and Iraqi war status from Rolling Stone you don't need to say any more.
* What about the good news? You don't know any? Just curious, how many lives do you think it would take to free a country of 26 million people? By the way, these people have been given their freedom. Freedom isn't free - now they have to fight to keep it and we are helping them get that capability so they can hold on to what we won for them.
* FYI: One of the world's most violent and deadly dictators has been deposed (Saddam Hussein). He killed tens of thousands of innocents there. That has stopped. Sure there are still killings (what country doesn't have them) but now the enemies of Iraqi freedom are doing it.
* You can stop talking about weapons of mass destruction now. :rollside:
* Final statement/question: How can you and your many other liberal buddies say you "support our troops" and not support the war they're fighting?! That's complete stupidity. You may want our troops to be safe and want them to not be there but you are not supporting our troops in the war they are fighting. It's hypocracy to claim you support the troops when you don't support what they are fighting for.
It`s impossible to support something while at the same time you are trying to undermine it.
Right On!
Give'm hell Dan
Here, read up.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=101
That site is f'n hilarious, are you signed up as an "activist"? Another leftie organization passing itself off as an unbiased "Fair" organization. I signed up as an activist...(to get emails on issues). I want to see what these yahoos send me... I hope it's as much fun as what I get from the Wilderness Society.
I suppose you believe their propaganda...
NSF, you lost all credibility when Blowing 472 guys took your side.
NSF, you lost all credibility when Blowing 472 guys took your side.
Ya think? :hammer2:
Considering that there are embedded reporters in just about every AF squadron over there, and the military is doing alot of great things (yes I have first hand knowledge and my wife will be there in 2 weeks), why doesn't the liberal media report on any of the good things????? i.e Power Plants, building new schools, new water and electrical systems etc. F*CK ROLLING BONE...
MMD,
I could not have said it any better. These boneheads that tell you they support our troups then turn around and undermine them with their very next breath. NUTS
How do I feel about this mess we have going in Iraq? Hmm. Glad you asked. Well first of all I dont subscribe to Rolling Stone. I feel that the magazine sucks almost as much ass as the pussy cry-core corporate major label bands that they incessantly promote. Some one interested in conspiracy theory would probably have a field day investigating the relationship between that magazine and the corporate music world. If I did choose to read Rolling Stone I probably would have to take any political piece that they wrote with a grain of salt considering who their audience is and who they are attempting to sell their magazine to.
Back to the topic at hand. Before I begin please allow me to qualify myself. My father is a Vietnam veteran and my little brother is a west point graduate who is currently an officer in the us army. Much of the info that I have gathered on the conditions inside of Iraq has come directly from my brother while he was serving in Iraq. While in Iraq he was not just a foot soldier. He was assigned to work alongside the commanding generals and was privy to top-secret information that few people know. He has spoken with rumsfeld and met with him on his visits to Iraq. The news is bad and getting worse? Thats a pretty vague and general statement and although it might seem like things are bad now I happen to feel that things are much better than they were and at least at this point there is a possibility of improvement. As for the statement Most of the Iraq Police forces trained by our forces are defecting to the insurgents! Where did you get this statistic? Did you know that there are Iraqi Special Forces being trained by us who in order to become a member they either personally had to have been tortured or have had an immediate family member killed by Saddams men? The sad truth is that there is no shortage of these individuals and they are quite happy to take up the cause. As for the other Iraqi forces my brother has personally hung out with and gone on missions with many of them. He explained that most of the people who are drawn to the insurgency do it for purely financial reasons not religious fanaticism. Maybe the insurgency pays better? I wouldnt want to be on their side though.
As far as the cost of the war. Do you know the cost of terrorism? When you add up the financial costs of airport security, Sept. 11th, the cost of the world trade centers in both real estate and innocent life (plus all the other peoples lives that were negatively affected). Not to mention the financial effect it had on the country, the stock market, the airline industry, the post office etc. etc. (remember the cost of cleaning up all that white powder) and oh by the way, I hope you dont think that the anthrax was created in a small cave in Afghanistan. All things being equal, what is the most logical source of the anthrax? A rag tag bunch of fruitcakes or a belligerent nation who would love to injure us who, oh by the way had some lying around quite recently. Hint: dont ask Michael Moore. By the way what do you think things would have been like if they had been a bit wiser in the delivery of that anthrax?
$192 billion, Sounds good to me. Oh by the way how about a few reasons to go to war even without any evidence of WMD? Here are a few
1. The oil for food scandal. Id pay the 192B just to right the wrong of saddam paying off French and Russian officials and in the meantime allowing the citizens/children of his country starve to death and die of easily treatable maladies.
2. Russia selling silkworm missiles, brand new rpg9s right out of the box along with gps jamming hardware and personnel to train saddams troops on their use to use against our troops
3. The French selling missiles, explosives, grenades and hardware to saddam (but cmon what kind of pussies use French weapons)
4. To try Saddam for war crimes and genocide
5. How about just to scare the living crap out of the Arab world so that even if they dont respect us they will at least fear us because what the hell if every time the us gets Fed with we invade a country Id be willing to bet that people wont F with us anymore.
6. Upset the illegal drug trade that finances much of terrorism.
7. Scare the crap out of Syria and Iran
8. Give the terrorists somewhere to go and something to do in a different part of the world.
9. Last but not least because my little brother says so. Like I said before my brother is privy to info that is not common knowledge. When I asked him what this whole war was about and was it all worth it he said hell ya. Without telling me anything that he shouldnt he said that in 20 years when people start interviewing primary sources and some of this stuff becomes unclassified he said that yes, history will show that we were in the right. Oh, and by the way my brothers Bradley fighting vehicle was hit and his gunner and commander were killed.
10. Ask a Kurd. Any Kurd off the street. Ask em what they think. Ive met and have known many Iraqi Kurds who grew up in Iraq under saddam hussien. I could tell you stories that they have told to me but I doubt they would be printed in this forum or if you would believe me.
Explode into a civil war? You mean to say that the murdering, raping, lying, stealing, cheating minority cant get along with the majority of the population that they have tortured, beaten, raped and killed for the last 30 years? Hmm Thats odd. I recall that we had a civil war in this country a while back. Things seem to have ended up pretty well if ya ask me.
What the hell are we still doing there; didnt we learn our lesson in Vietnam? Yeah, we did. Thanks. My dad got his guts ripped apart by an RPG in Vietnam. He is very proud of his service and believes that we were trying to do the right thing. Dont believe him though, go to Vietnam. Look around. Ask the first person you meet whom they would rather have won the war.
As for the journalists. I could tell you stories of what they have done that would make you wish you could have killed them yourself. Like how every morning they call by phone (because they dont leave the hotel) to ask how many soldiers had died the night before. When the answer is none my brother has actually heard a sigh from the other end and an abrupt hang up. They will then dial the next number on their list to try to locate a fatality to report. They do all of their reporting by phone over there, did you know that? What if the person who answers the phone lies to them, how would they know? Curious huh? Do you know how many hospitals they have opened over there? How many have you seen on the news? Schools? Libraries? Water treatment facilities? My brother prepared press kits for our journalists to attend these events. Guess how many showed up? ZERO!!! Al Arabia and al jazeera actually made it to more than we did. Its no wonder that people think things are actually getting worse over there. Sorry, but I dont believe it. My brother was there for the election and there was a change after that. What we are seeing may be the death throes of this insurgency who while we are on the subject dupe unsuspecting foreigners into becoming suicide bombers. Did you know that? Did you know that most suicide bombers are innocent foreign workers looking for a job? When they answer the add in the paper the boss tells them that they are to drive this delivery truck to this address and deliver a package. Guess what? The truck is loaded with explosives.
We arent supposed to be fighting this? We arent supposed to be standing up against the people who would do such things? I dont care how we got there. I dont care what the reasons. All I know is that I hope every one of these a-holes is dead before we leave.
As for the president and the Saudi prince. Ask Michael Moore about that. I mean the president meeting with a foreign head of state? What would they talk about? What could it possibly mean? Hes the president he meets with people. I find it more difficult to believe that the president has to meet with leaders from Russia and France who sold us out and stabbed us in the back for money. Because yes, countries are self-serving and yes they do what is in their best interest.
Good post kronikenergy.
Good post kronikenergy.
Indeed, just the right amount of anger and indignation. One minor correction...
Silkworm Missiles are a product of China... maybe they went through Russia though!
Regardless... awesome post!
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