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Thread: New style starter for 455

  1. #1
    El Prosecutor
    Has anybody been able to make one of these modern planetary gear reduction OEM starters work on an Olds 455?
    Like this:
    http://www.***boat.com/image_center/...PG260M-med.jpg
    I checked one out at the store - the bolts are the right distance apart. It looks about right except that the actual pinion is thinner by about 1/8" - 3/16". I don't know if it would engage enough or if it would cause problems. They actually are rated more powerful than the original:
    http://www.***boat.com/image_center/...ter_-_orig.jpg
    I also think that the new style is "sealed" by design - shouldn't be any explosion hazard issues.
    Thoughts? Ideas? Snide comments? :boxed:

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  3. #3
    502 JET
    Thoughts? Ideas? Snide comments? :boxed:
    WOULD YOU JUST BUY A STARTER ALREADY!!!

  4. #4
    SmokinLowriderSS
    Thoughts? Ideas? Snide comments? :boxed:
    So, bigger isn't good for you eh? You just GOTTA have a little bitty pu**a** starter. Geez.. Gonna go for a V-6 next?? :yuk:

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    El Prosecutor
    IMI (http://www.rexmar.com/page306.html)
    IMI 108 Starter - Olds 350-455 $ 198.68 ea
    WOULD YOU JUST BUY A STARTER ALREADY!!!
    IMI 108 Starter - Olds 350-455 $ 198.68 ea
    :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

  6. #6
    El Prosecutor
    So, bigger isn't good for you eh? You just GOTTA have a little bitty pu**a** starter. Geez.. Gonna go for a V-6 next?? :yuk:

    ROFL - Geez... and I was just telling my Dad at lunch today about Just Jets, and how much I enjoyed SmokinLowriderSS' nostalgic posts (among others) Guess I asked for it!! :boxed:
    BTW, Rex's IMI 108 looks like a nice piece at a fair price, unfortunately it just doesn't fit my budget. I am probably going to end up with a locally marinized 10mt.

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    El Prosecutor, I went and looked around the WAI website and could not find a listing for any of the 350-455 Olds engines. In fact, the list showed "N/A" for every V-8 Olds application. What was the application for the starter you looked at?
    What is wrong with your current starter?

  8. #8
    El Prosecutor
    El Prosecutor, I went and looked around the WAI website and could not find a listing for any of the 350-455 Olds engines. In fact, the list showed "N/A" for every V-8 Olds application. What was the application for the starter you looked at?
    What is wrong with your current starter?
    My old starter is an old style 10mt automotive starter with a cavernous spark-emitting throat that has probably brought me close to death more times than I can imagine. I discovered this while tracking down a hot start problem. The actual starting problem probably has more to do with wiring (see my thread "Pop Quiz") The old starter fires right up on the tester but makes a real loud noise and there is a definite wiggle in the business end, and the worn out bushing is starting to squeeze out.
    Here is some info from a listing on eBay on the PG style starter:
    2-1688-DR-2
    Starter - Delco PG260M Series
    1.7 kW, 12 Volt, CW, 11-Tooth Pinion
    Used On:
    (2001-91) Buick Park Avenue 3.8L w/ Supercharger
    (2001-97) Buick Regal 3.8L w/ Supercharger
    (1999-95) Buick Riviera 3.8L
    (1997-95) Chevrolet Camaro 3.8L
    (1997-96) Chevrolet Lumina, Monte Carlo 3.4L
    (1999-95) Oldsmobile 88 3.8L w/ Supercharger
    (1995-92) Oldsmobile 98 3.8L w/ Supercharger
    (1996) Oldsmobile Cutlass 3.4L
    (2001-92) Pontiac Bonneville 3.8L w/ Supercharger
    (1997-95) Pontiac Firebird 3.8L
    (1996) Pontiac Grand Prix 3.4L
    (2001-97) Pontiac Grand Prix 3.8L w/ Supercharger
    Replaces:
    Delco 9000776, 797, 806, 863
    Lester Nos:
    6431, 6472, 6476
    Notes:
    PG260M series starter has M8 x 1.25 solenoid battery term. & 11-tooth drive but will replace Delco 9000776, 797 (Lester 6476, WAI-Ref. 2-1797-DR) PG250 series starters with M10 x 1.5 solenoid battery term. & 9-tooth drive. For PG260L design use 2-2140-DR-2. 2-1688-DR-2 can also be used as a hi-performance retrofit for early 10MT, 9-Tooth Starters, Lester 3505, 3696 popular on Pontiac Firebird, GTO 5.3L (326), 5.7L (350), 6.6L (400), 7.5L (455). It does require using 84-1506, 84-1507 Mtg. Bolts & 71-1114 Gasket.
    Features:
    100% New
    OE performance torque & output
    OE interchangeable components, officially licensed & manufactured with Remy's patent-protected technology
    Hi-performance rare earth magnets are completely sealed from moisture & contaminants
    Field case assys. are 100% tested on a computerized gaussmeter to measure magnet strength & position.
    Zinc yellow dichromate field case, solenoid, C.E. cover & hardware
    Armatures are precision balanced & feature banded hairpins
    Commutators are stake-welded & polished for longer brush life
    Carbon brushes are welded - same as OE
    Starter, drive & solenoid are endurance tested
    Listing is found at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...RK%3AMEWA%3AIT
    Looks like a winner if it will work. I am just not 100% sure that it is spark proof. :220v: :skull: :220v:

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    Running through that applications list I see Buick and Pontiac engine apps, but nothing that would indicate an Olds engine application. Remember, Buick and Pontiac had 350 and 455's. You would have to cross the Lester numbers over to see if any go to an Olds V-8.
    Giot any Alternator/starter rebuilders in your area? Might be able to have yours rebuilt and converted to "marine" at the same time.

  10. #10
    SmokinLowriderSS
    ROFL - Geez... and I was just telling my Dad at lunch today about Just Jets, and how much I enjoyed SmokinLowriderSS' nostalgic posts (among others) Guess I asked for it!! :boxed:
    Glad I could help.
    You DID ask for snide commentary.
    I'd want the gear reduction unit myself but I already have a pricey top-mount reverse-rotation unit, about $280 each rebuilt and I do like it higher out of the bilge.

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