Some intresting Facts and Ideas

[cdog]

This is America and its all about the bottom line. If you are a company doing business in order to survive you have to be able to compete...this includes sometimes shutting Mfg. down here and going elsewhere for cheap labor. Our great country is the machine that keeps the world economy going and vice versa. We are still the world leader and I dont see it changing anytime soon. As far as buying Japenese or German products I dont see any problem in it. World War 2 is a thing of the past that I will not forget but it did make the world a better place and made old enemies become friends...I dont see any problem with that. Oh yeah and the word Jap is demeaning I dont care how common it was in World War 2.
Deano
Unleashedclothing (http://www.unleashedclothing.com) :devil:
I see the whole statement went way over your head. Theres nothing wrong with saying Jap Mr. PC. The problem from outsourcing will eventually create a bigger problem. That will be depending on someone else and when they get high and mighty, they will demand more, meanwhile everyone else here has moved on. Secondly, if toyota is building plants here to MAKE PROFITS , why can't GM and Ford do the same? Do you think they might have an unfair advantage there? A well oiled economy must have a position for everyone. From the CEO to the guy who cleans the floors. Not everyone can be a mortgage broker, paper pusher or salesman. Keep in mind that there is politics behind everything you purchase.

[cdog]

cdog,
It is just that the rich American boys pack up their business and move it out of the country so they could make more money for their bitches. They left poor American like us here to take care of ourself while they are out having fun with all the young bitch. So, you might be screaming at the wrong group of people there little buddy.
??????????What......The guys with 100k boats or 50k trucks......The rich get rich because they know how to get you and 100 million people to buy something without caring where it comes from and who profits from it. It's called purchaing power.

[HighRoller]

You can stand proud and say you'll only buy American, but think about it. How does blind loyalty help IMPROVE American products? Only competition, and more specifically getting beat by your competition, will make you improve. No, we should not have a trade deficit with anyone but that's a governmental affair. I admire your idealism, but we're talking about money and business. In business, the consumer doesn't speak with his mouth. He speaks with his feet and his wallet. If he likes a product or business, he opens his wallet. If he doesn't, he walks out. So when did America become afraid to compete?
The statement about Pearl Harbor being parallel to 9/11 was also very misguided, IMO. The Japanese did not begin using Kamikaze tactics until later in the Pacific campaign when they became desperate. They did strike a blow against the Pacific fleet, but what happened next? We rose to the occasion, often performing amazing feats (The Yorktown repair) to overcome that blow and defeat Japan decisively. America sometimes is at its best when faced with adversity. Sadly, I miss the post 9/11 days when everyone felt patriotic because their lifestyle had been jeopardized. Now, it's back to blissful ignorance until the next 9/11, Pearl Harbor or whatever.
Everything is cyclical. GM might fall, and another young, aggressive company will take the bit in its teeth and become the leader in Domestic automotive manufacturing. 15 years ago Chrysler was a joke. Now look at them. Nothing is forever. One day Wal-Mart will go the way of K-Mart because they'll get complacent and someone will find a way to do it better, faster and cheaper. The Communists might get overthrown in China and cheap labor will disappear from the face of the country.
We are getting beaten as a country because we've lost the pride that used to come with being the greatest country in the history of civilization. Once we regain that, we'll kick everyone's asses in every way. (Again)

[totenhosen]

Yeah right, except that Toyota can't build a pickup that doesn't blow headgaskets. The transmission in my dads Avalon shit after 7,000 miles. The trans in his Mazda 929 went out at 60,000. THe IAC motor was $795.00 when it took a crap. One for a Chevy is about $75.00. Nissan and Honda won't cover a repair that's 100 miles out of warranty. GM covered a manifold gasket on my pickup a year and a half and 15,000 miles past the warranty. Mitsubishi builds one fine TV and one pile of crap of a car. I wouldn't let Cdog's dog ride in one of those buckets. And how about that plastic and vinyl in a Nissan. Lasts about five minutes in the sun before it cracks.
Oh and when is the last time you saw a 30' boat being towed by a Toyota Tacoma.
Aren't those Avalons built here in America? Isn't that mazda actually a Ford??? Again in the current global economy that we are in what is and isn't an American product?

[ptboat]

What would scare me though ? China would build a boat just like Ultra or Shockwave for a lot less. But what are they going to name it ? Any Idea ?
Alex.

[My Man's Sportin' Wood]

You can stand proud and say you'll only buy American, but think about it. How does blind loyalty help IMPROVE American products? Only competition, and more specifically getting beat by your competition, will make you improve. No, we should not have a trade deficit with anyone but that's a governmental affair. I admire your idealism, but we're talking about money and business. In business, the consumer doesn't speak with his mouth. He speaks with his feet and his wallet. If he likes a product or business, he opens his wallet. If he doesn't, he walks out. So when did America become afraid to compete?
The statement about Pearl Harbor being parallel to 9/11 was also very misguided, IMO. The Japanese did not begin using Kamikaze tactics until later in the Pacific campaign when they became desperate. They did strike a blow against the Pacific fleet, but what happened next? We rose to the occasion, often performing amazing feats (The Yorktown repair) to overcome that blow and defeat Japan decisively. America sometimes is at its best when faced with adversity. Sadly, I miss the post 9/11 days when everyone felt patriotic because their lifestyle had been jeopardized. Now, it's back to blissful ignorance until the next 9/11, Pearl Harbor or whatever.
Everything is cyclical. GM might fall, and another young, aggressive company will take the bit in its teeth and become the leader in Domestic automotive manufacturing. 15 years ago Chrysler was a joke. Now look at them. Nothing is forever. One day Wal-Mart will go the way of K-Mart because they'll get complacent and someone will find a way to do it better, faster and cheaper. The Communists might get overthrown in China and cheap labor will disappear from the face of the country.
We are getting beaten as a country because we've lost the pride that used to come with being the greatest country in the history of civilization. Once we regain that, we'll kick everyone's asses in every way. (Again)
I think I need to see a doctor. I'm agreeing with highroller :idea:
I only buy American made cars that were actually made here, not in Mexico or Canada, and I try to buy American, but it's hard when it comes to clothes. I just do the best I can do.
Oh, my boat was made in America too. Irwindale, CA to be exact.
Those of you Japan bashers, you should be looking further across the Pacific at China if you are afraid. They are buying up our resources at an alarming rate, that is why the prices of copper and concrete, among other things is skyrocketing, in conjunction with the cost of building homes and other structures. They are building like crazy over there and it is their goal to surpass us and especially Britain economically.

[boxscore]

You can stand proud and say you'll only buy American, but think about it. How does blind loyalty help IMPROVE American products? Only competition, and more specifically getting beat by your competition, will make you improve. . (Again)
That's the bottom line. When someone says "buy only american" they dont see how the competetion forces better product development. Remember when Ford and GM products were really really bad... late 70's, thru the 80's... (very subjective time frame). Ford actually makes a damn good product now. You can thank Honda, Toyota, BMW, etc for that. W/O Honda Accords all over the place, you'd never see a fairly quality car like a Taurus. Safety-wise included. The Euros, ie Volvo, really forced the Big 3 into making safe cars as well.