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  1. #11
    Steve 1
    JERUSALEM — In the war with Palestinian terrorists, Israel is learning to follow the money.
    What investigators have uncovered is the secret funneling of millions of dollars from Iran and Saudi Arabia to groups like Hamas in the West Bank.
    The money played a major role in the five-year offensive, begun in September 2000, that accounted for more than 24,000 attacks by Palestinians on Israelis, including 142 homicide bombings.
    Those bombings accounted for 510 Israeli deaths, or just over half the fatalities.
    A report by the Israeli secret service showed how the money trail worked:
    Iran "invested more than $10 million to encourage terrorist activity against Israel." ........
    .....Iran isn't the only source, the Israelis found.
    Yaakub Abu-Asav, a 33-year-old Palestinian with Israeli ID because he lived in east Jerusalem, was arrested after it was discovered he was "the liaison man between the Hamas headquarters in Saudi Arabia and Hamas in the West Bank."

  2. #12
    Steve 1
    Iranian president praises suicide terror
    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 'Is there art more beautiful, more divine than... martyrdom?' ; vows: 'Islamic revolution will conquer world'
    By Ynetnews
    MEMRI , the Middle East translation service, has translated a video from Iranian state television in which the Iranian president-elect glorifies suicide terrorism, and expresses his desire to see Islam “conquer” the world.
    “Is there art that is more beautiful, more divine, and more eternal than the art of martyrdom?” said the new Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, on Iran's Channel 1 television station.
    He continued: “A nation with martyrdom knows no captivity. Those who wish to undermine this principle undermine the foundations of our independence and national security. They undermine the foundation of our eternity.”
    Ahmadinejad said that his ambition was to spread his government’s Islamist ideology to the world.
    “The message of the (Islamic) Revolution is global, and is not restricted to specific place or time. It is a human message, and it will move forward. Have no doubt... Allah willing, Islam will conquer what? It will conquer all the mountain tops of the world,” he said.
    Iran has recently acknowleged that it is drafting its citizens to become suicide bombers, and is running camps to recruit and train potential future terrorists.

  3. #13
    OGShocker
    Most experts believe that the completion of the Bushehr project by Russia is a highly complex task: As mentioned earlier, the Kraftwerk Union has not provided any technical documents to either Iran or Russia. Since Russia plans to install a reactor, her engineers must modify what Kraftwerk Union had left behind to accomodate the Russian reactor and its support system, which differ in many significant ways from the German reactor. For example, the structure of the steam generators in the Russian reactors is significantly different from the original German reactors. The reactor is supposed to start operating in early 2004.
    This concludes the review of the history of Iran's nuclear program. The review reveals three important facts:
    (1) Nuclear research, facilities, and reactors, and even the vision for Iran having nuclear weapons, were all conceived and initiated by the Shah and his government, with the direct assistance and encouragement by the US and her allies. This is very much similar to what happened in Israel, which developed her arsenal of nuclear weapons with the direct help of the US and France. They were not conceived or initiated after the Revolution. In fact, for the first few years after the Revolution, Iran rejected nuclear reactors!
    (2) It is clear that the US and her allies have had many opportunities to complete the Bushehr project, or to participate in the construction of other nuclear reactors, and, hence, to have significant control on the reactors, but they have always refused to take part.
    (3) In addition, the US and her allies could have participated in the Bushehr project by helping Iran improve the safety of the reactors there and, hence, have influence on their operations. As pointed out by Drs. Etemad and Meshkati (see their article cited earlier), there is good precedence for this: The Temelin nuclear power plant in the Czech Republic, the construction of which began during the Soviet Union, when the former communist government was in power in Czechoslovakia, but was halted in 1992. In 1994, with a $317 million loan guarantee from the United States Export-Import Bank, an American company, Westinghouse Electric Corporation, participated in completing the Temelin's reactors.
    Hence, there is no way of avoiding the conclusion that the real goal of the United States is dismantling Iran's nuclear infrastructure, regardless of its orientation, and to despatch Iran to the era of nuclear, scientific and technological illiteracy, which is in violation of the letter and spirit of the NPT.

  4. #14
    Steve 1
    Not so fast!!
    You must have the Bent book of Bad Ole USA.
    It goes like this: Washington and the Europeans had approved the building of 20 nuclear power plants in Iran and provide advanced nuclear technology when Tehran was under the pro-Western shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi in the 1970s. But they reversed their positions following the 1979 Islamic revolution which toppled the Shah and brought the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini to power.
    If You read that note the Europeans are on board also and CAREFULL reading will show POWER PLANTS Not weapons!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Nowhere does it say to Terrorist Whack Jobs!! Key word Pro western and 1979
    Did I miss something?

  5. #15
    Steve 1
    Another tid bit!
    Since last year Iran has publicly acknowledged that it once bought nuclear equipment from middlemen in south Asia, lending credence to reports that Abdul Qadeer Khan, father of Pakistan's nuclear bomb, was one of the suppliers.
    Rafsanjani said Iran resorted to the black market because was political "injustice" by the U.S. and Europe.

  6. #16
    HM
    It is simple to explain.
    Our terrorist = good.
    Their terrorist = bad.
    Now, the terrorist we are supporting now, may end up being bad terrorist down the road after we are done using them.
    Now is Isreal really supporting Iran to fight the U.S., or was Isreal's arms destined for rebel groups that would help the fall of Iran?
    Unfortunately, what most people don't realize, is terrorism is a war strategy. They are not pussies, they are not cowards. The U.S. was labled cowards when we fought the british because we would hide behind trees and shoot at their guys all lined up. We were cowards because we would not lineup (as much) in an open field. The so called terrorist are fighting a near picture perfect war when you look at the strategies available to them for succeeding against an enemy with nearly infinite power over theirs. The book "The Art of War" explains the strategies thoroughly...and this book was written about 2,300 years ago. These countries cannot beat a super power head on, so they resort to "terrorism" which was called gorilla war fare previously. War has taken on a new dimension that is not given much weight in "The Art of War" and that is instantaneous media coverage - and that most of this coverage is managed by pacifists. This weapon was realized during Vietnam, and will be used by all enemies to the U.S. And why not? It is the most effective weapon they have and it is free. The media is clueless that it has become a weapon of war and they are merely tools.
    The "terrorist" title helps gain emotional support, when in fact, we need to employ nearly the same tactics. But, since we are operating under the claim of humanity, we cannot directly act as terrorists. So we covertly support the terrorist enemy of our enemy. This comes back to hurt the U.S. as the media finds out and reveals to the world that Isreal, Brittain, the U.S. and all the people claiming to be fighting terrorist are actaully supporting terrorists. There is a sound reasoning and strategy behind it, but the media weapon is too effective and destroys the effectiveness of these strategies as they have to be abandoned and denied. I do think the U.S. has to learn how to use the media weapon much more effectively as the media, not the actual war, is what is making support drop. Because we live in a microwave mentallity world of comunication, things that are progressing ahead of schedule, appear to be dragging on and on. Jerry Springer only lasted so long.
    I personally support nearly all the global operations that exist as I believe that most of the groups we are fighting will not be happy until all the infidels are dead. They do not beleive our civilians, woman and children are innocent - they believe they are all infidels. Christianity had the same agenda, but they came out of the dark ages and grew up. I believe they are a threat that we cannot ignore. Why do we not destroy Isreal? We know they don't want to destroy us as part of their "grand scheme."
    As Blown has pointed out...some of our strategies have flopped. Flopping is one thing, spinning it and or straight out denying it is just plain dumb. But unfortunately, there will not be any main stream media support (outside of Fox News and AM Talk radio) for the people who want to be proactive about our countries safety instead of reactive. Many people think that the reason they hate us is because we support the jews - I think that is ignorant. Many people think it is not fair that we force our way of life on people...and that is just silly. Liberty is everyone's personal wish.
    Some people think we should just back out of all that crap, shut our borders, fix our own problems, and let the rest of the world sort it out or kill themselves off. I think that is unrealistic...but I can see the reasoning.
    Blind support of political groups is also a weapon for our enemies, via the media. They show that we are just as crazy as them by defending fock ups or denying them or spinning them. This blind allegiance has the same appearance as terrorism and is why many republicans are referred to as Nazis (which is funny as Nazism/Communist is closer to democrats and on the other side of democrats....you have to go thru the democrat camp to the socialist camp to get to the communist camp).
    The days of just blindly supporting are over due to the media. Our elected officials (especially republicans) have to realize it is the 21st century and learn how to strategize and implement the media weapon. Blind allegiance looks like everyone is drinking koolaid. Cover-ups are not effective damage control strategies.
    It would also help if the republicans stopped selling their ass for $20 on the street corner like a 2 bit hooker to special interest. Or, atleast stop denying it.
    The good news is that I am taking over the world. The bad news is, Blown will be in charge of the internet. Infact, it was not Al Gore who invented the internet (Al Gore would have been the Democrat's George Bush...they would be crapping their pants at the stupid things that come out of his mouth) Blown invented the Internet.

  7. #17
    HM
    BTW - nothing was cut and pasted. All original thought and reasoning. Fock...now I need a nap.

  8. #18
    Steve 1
    HUH ??
    2004, the counterterrorism center says, there were 3,192 terror attacks worldwide with 28,433 people wounded or killed.

  9. #19
    OGShocker
    PRAVDA.Ru
    Commie!...LOL....

  10. #20
    Steve 1
    I only care about Americans here is a list!
    1979
    Nov. 4, Tehran, Iran: Iranian radical students seized the U.S. embassy, taking 66 hostages. 14 were later released. The remaining 52 were freed after 444 days on the day of President Reagan's inauguration.
    1982–1991
    Lebanon: Thirty US and other Western hostages kidnapped in Lebanon by Hezbollah. Some were killed, some died in captivity, and some were eventually released. Terry Anderson was held for 2,454 days.
    1983
    April 18, Beirut, Lebanon: U.S. embassy destroyed in suicide car-bomb attack; 63 dead, including 17 Americans. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
    Oct. 23, Beirut, Lebanon: Shiite suicide bombers exploded truck near U.S. military barracks at Beirut airport, killing 241 Marines. Minutes later a second bomb killed 58 French paratroopers in their barracks in West Beirut.
    Dec. 12, Kuwait City, Kuwait Shiite truck bombers attacked the U.S. embassy and other targets, killing 5 and injuring 80.
    1984
    Sept. 20, east Beirut, Lebanon: truck bomb exploded outside the U.S. embassy annex, killing 24, including 2 U.S. military.
    Dec. 3, Beirut, Lebanon: Kuwait Airways Flight 221, from Kuwait to Pakistan, hijacked and diverted to Tehran. 2 Americans killed.
    1985
    April 12, Madrid, Spain: Bombing at restaurant frequented by U.S. soldiers, killed 18 Spaniards and injured 82.
    June 14, Beirut, Lebanon: TWA Flight 847 en route from Athens to Rome hijacked to Beirut by Hezbollah terrorists and held for 17 days. A U.S. Navy diver executed.
    Oct. 7, Mediterranean Sea: gunmen attack Italian cruise ship, Achille Lauro. One U.S. tourist killed. Hijacking linked to Libya.
    Dec. 18, Rome, Italy, and Vienna, Austria: airports in Rome and Vienna were bombed, killing 20 people, 5 of whom were Americans. Bombing linked to Libya.
    1986
    April 2, Athens, Greece:A bomb exploded aboard TWA flight 840 en route from Rome to Athens, killing 4 Americans and injuring 9.
    April 5, West Berlin, Germany: Libyans bombed a disco frequented by U.S. servicemen, killing 2 and injuring hundreds.
    1988
    Dec. 21, Lockerbie, Scotland: N.Y.-bound Pan-Am Boeing 747 exploded in flight from a terrorist bomb and crashed into Scottish village, killing all 259 aboard and 11 on the ground. Passengers included 35 Syracuse University students and many U.S. military personnel. Libya formally admitted responsibility 15 years later (Aug. 2003) and offered $2.7 billion compensation to victims' families.
    1993
    Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.
    1995
    April 19, Oklahoma City: car bomb exploded outside federal office building, collapsing wall and floors. 168 people were killed, including 19 children and 1 person who died in rescue effort. Over 220 buildings sustained damage. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols later convicted in the antigovernment plot to avenge the Branch Davidian standoff in Waco, Tex., exactly 2 years earlier. (See Miscellaneous Disasters.)
    Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.
    1996
    June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.
    1998
    Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.
    2000
    Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.
    2001
    Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville, Pa.: hijackers crashed 2 commercial jets into twin towers of World Trade Center; 2 more hijacked jets were crashed into the Pentagon and a field in rural Pa. Total dead and missing numbered 2,9921: 2,749 in New York City, 184 at the Pentagon, 40 in Pa., and 19 hijackers. Islamic al-Qaeda terrorist group blamed. (See September 11, 2001: Timeline of Terrorism.)
    2002
    June 14, Karachi, Pakistan: bomb exploded outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda.
    2003
    May 12, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: suicide bombers killed 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners. Al-Qaeda suspected.
    2004
    May 29–31, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists attack the offices of a Saudi oil company in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, take foreign oil workers hostage in a nearby residential compound, leaving 22 people dead including one American.
    June 11–19, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson Jr., an American, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 2 other Americans and BBC cameraman killed by gun attacks.
    Dec. 6, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia: terrorists storm the U.S. consulate killing 5 consulate employees. 4 terrorists were killed by Saudi security.

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