D.R. Damm I could have gave ya all that info about a year ago...I was looking at a Sanger Allye Cat 23footer 1988 I belive. Anyhow what I did find out was Sanger had a stout race history,made a very strong boat with a great hull! I did talk to the manufacture,there still around (however) I belive they now make fishing boats. When I spoke to them,they even dug out some old promo stuff on the boat and sent it to me,nice people to talk to,not snobs like Eliminator I bought a 21 Daytona,great boat but there A%*H<>@s to deal with. You should post your qusetion on the Out Board Page.I don't recall but I think Sanger is out West...Good Luck...