Save the Channel......I can't make it so you guys should!

[HighRoller]

They aren't stifling tourism, they are trying to protect people. Did you not realize the carbon monoxide levels in the channel on busy weekends are killing people? If people aren't smart enough to turn off their boats or not sit idling in one spot for 20 minutes then something has to be done. I think a good idea would be some "creative landscaping" down by the shore so not as many boats can beach along there. Absent of that, what else can you do to prevent people from packing in like sardines and acting ridiculous?
No, it's not the 70's anymore, but since when did a calendar make it okay to throw common sense out the window???

[Keith E. Sayre]

Highroller: I think you may be missing the point here. In my opinion, the boaters are only about 20% of the problem of rowdy behavior and underaged
drinking and nudity in our channel. the real problem are the people who walk
in and then mingle on the beach. and remember, this is only a "problem"
3 weekends out of the year.
For those that think closing the channel to boaters will solve a problem, take
a look at what happened the last time they tried it!
http://www.***boat.com/forums/showth...=trash+channel
Do I need to say anymore? As you can see, the problem worsened. Would
you rather see a $75,000 boat sitting there or the guy in the chair?
Nice crowd. The boaters are not the biggest part of the problem. It's the
people that walk down there. Do you really think Mr. Mayor that your family
would go have a picnic next to the crowd in these photos? I think not.
Hallett: Bob--we too don't like what happens on the 3 big weekends every year in our channel but kicking the people out that probably make up 20% of the problem won't help anyone. The mayor quotes "underaged drinkers" as a
big problem in the channel. Start arresting them. When was the last time that you saw an underaged kid driving a boat while he was drunk in the channel? The underaged kids fighting and causing problems in the channel
were the people that walked down there in most cases. I'm there every weekend and I see what goes on as well as anyone.
I am all for improving our channel cleanliness and keeping order but why can't we get enough trash cans put out there, why does the pd have to run from
one end of the place to the other when there is a problem? with all the tax
revenue in this town, we seem so short handed. if the pd needs help keeping an eye on the situation, why not look for resident volunteers armed with small police radios who sit in street attire ready to call the pd if there is a situation brewing. that would lessen the strain on the pd who is already spread thin and there would be no shortage of retired men looking to cruise the channel without the old lady nagging at him while he drools at the scenery, then if they're worried about
nudity, why not make it a $1,000 fine if you get caught flashing and a $500
reward to anyone producing a digital photo to the police showing the flashing? the city would make money, the flashing would be completely
eliminated after word got out and every boater in the channel would be armed with a camera looking for a $500 handout.
These seem like fairly simple solutions to a problem that manifests itself 3
weekends a year. Someone should clue someone in, this isn't Tahoe and
it certainly isn't Sedona. Boaters and their FAMILIES got chased out of
So Cal 30 years ago and we had to drive to the river. Now these blue haired
folks want to take this place over too.
To the mayor and city council: if you're going to make a change. make it a
good one that will really work. otherwise sit back and enjoy the ride. most
of us love it here!
Keith Sayre

[That Guy]

Great post Keith with some great ideas...those were the pics I was looking for in the other channel thread.... Interesting....It is still an idiotic step that won't stop the problem, but rather encourage this kind of trash (literally) to take over the channel.

[shueman]

Oh please! :cry: You're telling me with a straight face that if people can't sit on their asses in the channel all day that Havasu will dry up and blow away? I look at it another way. I went to Havasu regularly since the early 70's until the post-MTV BS started up. I'm sure others have stopped going there as well for the same reason. Maybe the Mayor has heard from those who have had ENOUGH of people coming in from out of town and treating their town like a garbage pit and strip bar and polluting the channel to toxic levels. We all saw this coming from a mile away in light of the shutdowns at the Sandbar. When people cannot police their own behavior, others have to do it for them. The fact that you're trying to blame the Mayor for the consequences of bad behavior in the channel is ridiculous. The bad apples brought this upon themselves.
Good one.....right on target...

[HighRoller]

Keith, you're obviously right about those people, but everytime I go through the channel, holiday or not, boats or not, it's still packed and people are still acting ridiculous. I agree something needs to be done. They need to 1)Identify the problem and 2)get someone with experience in the matter to consult with. That being said, they'll probably screw it all up. And yes, underage drinking is the biggest problem at Havasu. I can't tell you how many times I've had to turn away from loud mouthed 18 yo punks who were drunk and feeling bulletproof. There is not going to be a painless solution to this problem, that's for sure.

[That Guy]

Oh please! :cry: You're telling me with a straight face that if people can't sit on their asses in the channel all day that Havasu will dry up and blow away? I look at it another way. I went to Havasu regularly since the early 70's until the post-MTV BS started up. I'm sure others have stopped going there as well for the same reason. Maybe the Mayor has heard from those who have had ENOUGH of people coming in from out of town and treating their town like a garbage pit and strip bar and polluting the channel to toxic levels. We all saw this coming from a mile away in light of the shutdowns at the Sandbar. When people cannot police their own behavior, others have to do it for them. The fact that you're trying to blame the Mayor for the consequences of bad behavior in the channel is ridiculous. The bad apples brought this upon themselves.
and how is closing the channel to boat parking going to solve the problems you mention. Is it only boat owners who act this way? Take a look at the pics in the link above and you will see who will be spending time in the channel....

[That Guy]

Can some more enlightened picture poster, post the pics from the link in Keith's post above. I was there that day and it was worse than it looked...

[Channel Rat]

Highroller: I think you may be missing the point here. In my opinion, the boaters are only about 20% of the problem of rowdy behavior and underaged
drinking and nudity in our channel. the real problem are the people who walk
in and then mingle on the beach. and remember, this is only a "problem"
3 weekends out of the year.
For those that think closing the channel to boaters will solve a problem, take
a look at what happened the last time they tried it!
http://www.***boat.com/forums/showth...=trash+channel
Do I need to say anymore? As you can see, the problem worsened. Would
you rather see a $75,000 boat sitting there or the guy in the chair?
Nice crowd. The boaters are not the biggest part of the problem. It's the
people that walk down there. Do you really think Mr. Mayor that your family
would go have a picnic next to the crowd in these photos? I think not.
Hallett: Bob--we too don't like what happens on the 3 big weekends every year in our channel but kicking the people out that probably make up 20% of the problem won't help anyone. The mayor quotes "underaged drinkers" as a
big problem in the channel. Start arresting them. When was the last time that you saw an underaged kid driving a boat while he was drunk in the channel? The underaged kids fighting and causing problems in the channel
were the people that walked down there in most cases. I'm there every weekend and I see what goes on as well as anyone.
I am all for improving our channel cleanliness and keeping order but why can't we get enough trash cans put out there, why does the pd have to run from
one end of the place to the other when there is a problem? with all the tax
revenue in this town, we seem so short handed. if the pd needs help keeping an eye on the situation, why not look for resident volunteers armed with small police radios who sit in street attire ready to call the pd if there is a situation brewing. that would lessen the strain on the pd who is already spread thin and there would be no shortage of retired men looking to cruise the channel without the old lady nagging at him while he drools at the scenery, then if they're worried about
nudity, why not make it a $1,000 fine if you get caught flashing and a $500
reward to anyone producing a digital photo to the police showing the flashing? the city would make money, the flashing would be completely
eliminated after word got out and every boater in the channel would be armed with a camera looking for a $500 handout.
These seem like fairly simple solutions to a problem that manifests itself 3
weekends a year. Someone should clue someone in, this isn't Tahoe and
it certainly isn't Sedona. Boaters and their FAMILIES got chased out of
So Cal 30 years ago and we had to drive to the river. Now these blue haired
folks want to take this place over too.
To the mayor and city council: if you're going to make a change. make it a
good one that will really work. otherwise sit back and enjoy the ride. most
of us love it here!
Keith Sayre
Keith Great comments
Thats exactly what i have been trying to get acrossed to these guys. You have a great way with those words keep it up. Are you going to be there on sunday. We will

[riverroyal]

lake mead?

[shadow]

http://www.***boat.com/image_center/...80IMG_1475.jpg
Funny but i don't see a boat in any of these pics.If the cops were to
ticket everyone of these people for littering and check id's,and make them pick up every piece of trash or better yet sobriety check each one and
arrest some for drunk in public.They'd either not litter or find somewhere else
to use as a dump.Nothing wrong with standing on the shore drinking a beer enjoying the sights,boat or no boat.But these pics are just uncalled for
disrespectful to everyone around them.