You read it here first boyz and gurls.

[canuck1]

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2005/klaus120905.htm
Here from one of your papers !Now run along little guy!
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[Steve 1]

And Iran!
DUBAI, July 19 (Reuters) - An Iranian general collaborated with al Qaeda to arrange the transit through Iran of nine of the September 11 hijackers, the Arabic newspaper Asharq al-Awsat reported

[Old Texan]

Excerpted from Canada Free Press article above:
I’m having a difficult time understanding how the Democrats manage to see everything either through the Vietnam window or the Watergate window. It is possible that there are only two realities for the Democrats, one being Vietnam and the other Watergate, as both these seem to coincide with a time when the Democrats were a force to be reckoned with? It’s as if the Democratic Party is slowly morphing into Alice in Wonderland’s tea Party. Question is, which better describes Howard Dean, the Mad Hatter or the March Hare? Maybe it all depends which window he happens to be looking through.
This is another thing I've about had my fill of: Comparison to Vietnam. I remeber well all the social misfits that toured the college campus speakers tour in the 60's-70's era. We listened to the drugged out ravings of Jerry Rubin, Abbe Hoffman, and Fonda's guy Tom Hayden. Also baby doc turned activist Dr. Ben Spock and activist defender of the infamous Chicago 7, Wild Bill Kunstsler. The after party was the place to be. Groupies, drugs, and music from Woodstock.
The party's normal venue was the Central Michigan campus 100 + year old Phys Ed building that doubled as the ROTC bldg. It had been liberated after the Kent State protests when the administration basically let it be occupied as security "fended off" takeover of the main admin hall.
The Student body activist leaders played good hosts and kept the national delegates high as kites until dawn. Old Ben was especially standout with his big grin and bald dome being polished by eager hippy coeds. I'll never forget a line I heard after one party by a 19 year old coed. Paul Puma was the campus movement pres and was a 5th yr Poly Sci major. To quote (inbest valley girl style),"Man, Paul was so stoked last night. He smoked a whole lid man."
Basically these guys are the predecessors to Howie Dean and John Kerry. All for the righteousness of the movement, down with government, "Revolution Man." Liberalism in it's infancy. Paranoia, contempt, complaints, and no f-ing plan.
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/proj.../chicago7.html

[Blown 472]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...ixnewstop.html
The handwritten memo, a copy of which has been obtained exclusively by the Telegraph, is dated July 1, 2001 and provides a short resume of a three-day "work programme" Atta had undertaken at Abu Nidal's base in Baghdad.
Funny, no other news orginazation could get this stunning info but these guys. Strange. And for all of yalls hand wringing and this and that, please answer a simple question.
A proven fact the flyers were trained in saudi, buy saudi funded skools, why no attack?? Think long and hard on this one.

[Blown 472]

Real Men Go to Tehran
By M. SHAHID ALAM
"Anyone can go to Baghdad. Real men go to Tehran."
Senior Bush Official, May 2003
The United States and Israel have been itching to go to Tehran since the Islamic Revolution of 1979. That Revolution was a strategic setback for both powers. It overthrew the Iranian monarchy, a great friend of the US and Israel, and brought to power the Shi'ite Mullahs, who saw themselves as the legitimate heirs of the Prophet's legacy, and, therefore, the true defenders of Islam.
As a result, the Iranian Revolution was certain to clash with both the US and Israel, as well as their client states in the Arab world. Israel was unacceptable because it was an alien intrusion that had displaced a Muslim people: it was a foreign implant in the Islamic heartland. But the US was the greater antagonist. On its own account, through Israel, and on the behalf of Israel, it sought to keep the Middle East firmly bound in the chains of American hegemony.
The US-Israeli hegemony over the Middle East had won a great victory in 1978. At Camp David, the leading Arab country, Egypt, chose to surrender its leadership of the Arab world, and signed a separate 'peace' with Israel. This freed Israel to pursue its plans to annex the West Bank and Gaza, and to project unchecked power over the entire region. The Arab world could now be squeezed between Israel in the West and Iran to the East, the twin pillars of US hegemony over the region's peoples and resources.
The Iranian Revolution of 1979 ended this partnership. At that point, real men in Washington would have loved to take back Tehran from the Mullahs but for the inconvenience of Soviet opposition. But great powers are rarely stymied by any single development however adverse. It took little encouragement from Washington to get Iraq to mount an unprovoked invasion of Iran. In the twenti-eth century, few Arab leaders have seen the difference between entrapment and opportunity.
The war between Iran and Iraq served the United States and Israel quite well. It blunted the energies of Iran, diverting it from any serious attempts to export the revolution, or challenging American influence in the region. The Israeli gains were more substantial. With Egypt neutered at Camp David, and Iraq and Iran locked in a bloody war, Israel was free during the 1980s to do what it pleased. It expanded its settlements in the West Bank and Gaza, destroyed Iraq's nuclear reactor at Osirak, expelled the Palestinian fighters from Lebanon, and established a long-term occupation over much of Southern Lebanon. Israel was closer to its goal of commanding unchallenged power over the Middle East.
The end of the Cold War in 1990 offered a bigger opening to the United States and Israel. Freed from the Soviet check on their ambitions, and with Iran devastated by the war, the United States began working on plans to establish a military control over the region, in the style of earlier colonial empires. This happened quickly when, with American assurance of non-intervention in intra-Arab conflicts, Iraq invaded Kuwaiti in August 1990.
The US response was massive and swift. In January 1990, after assembling 600,000 allied troops in Saudi Arabia * about half of them American * it pushed Iraq out of Kuwait, and mounted massive air strikes against Iraq itself, destroying much of its industry, power-generating capacity and infrastructure. The US had now established a massive military beachhead in the oil-rich Persian Gulf. It established permanent military bases in Saudi Arabia, continued its economic sanctions against Iraq, created a Kurdish autonomous zone in the north of Iraq, and, together with Britain, continued to bomb Iraq on a nearly daily basis for the next thirteen years.
With the US beachhead in place, where did the real men in the US and Israel want to go next? There was no secrecy about their plans. At a minimum, the Neoconservatives in the US and their Likud allies in Israel wanted 'regime change' in Iraq, Syria and Iran. This would be delivered by covert action, air strikes, or invasion * whatever it took * to be mounted by the US military. Israel would stay out of these wars, ready to reap the benefits of their aftermath.
The Likud plans were more ambitious. They wanted to redraw the map of the Middle East, using ethnic, sectarian, and religious differences to carve up the existing states in the region into weak micro-states that could be easily bullied by Israel. This was the Kivunim plan first made public in 1982. It would give Israel a thousand years of dominance over the Middle East.
The attacks of September 11, 2001 were the 'catalyzing event' that put these plans into motion. The US wasted no time in seizing the moment. Instantly, President George Bush declared a global war against terrorism. The first target of this war was Afghanistan, but this was only a sideshow. On January 29, 2002, the President announced his initial targets for regime change: the 'axis of evil' that included Iraq, Iran and North Korea.
The plan was to invade and consolidate control over Iraq as a base for operations against Iran, Syria and perhaps Saudi Arabia. This sequencing was based on two assumptions: that the invasion of Iraq would be a cake-walk and American troops would be greeted as liberators. The US invaded Iraq on March 20, 2003 and Baghdad fell on April 9, 2003. It was indeed a cake-walk, and it appeared to television audiences that American troops were also being greeted as liberators. Understandably, the mood in Washington and Tel Aviv was triumphant. The US is unstoppable: it was time for real men now to go to Tehran.
Nearly three years after the Iraqi invasion, the real men are still stuck in Baghdad. Yes, there has been a great deal of talk about attacking Iran: plans in place for air strikes on Iran's revolutionary guards, on its nuclear installations and other WMD sites, and even talk of a ground invasion. There have been reports of spy flights over Iran and operations by special forces inside Iran. Israel too has been goading the US to strike, and if the US shrinks from this duty, threatening to go solo.
What has been holding back the real men in Washington and Tel Aviv? One reason of course is that the cake walk very quickly turned into a quagmire. The apparent Iraqi welcome was replaced by a growing and hardy insurgency, which has exacted a high toll on US plans for Iraq even though it was led mostly by Sunni Arabs. As a result, close to 150,000 US troops remain tied down in Iraq, with little prospect that they can be freed soon for action against Iran. Most Shi'ites aren't resisting the American occupation, but they are ready to take power in Iraq, and want the Americans to leave.
While the US cannot mount a full-scale invasion of Iran without a draft, it does possesses the capability * despite the Iraqi quagmire * to launch air and missile strikes at Iranian targets, using nuclear weapons to destroy underground weapon sites. On the other hand, despite its saber rattling, most analysts agree that Israel does not possess this capability on its own. Unlike Iraq, Iran has dispersed its nuclear assets to dozens of sites, some unknown. Then, why hasn't the US mounted air attacks against Iran yet? Or will it any time soon?
More and more, as the Americans have taken a more sober reckoning of Iran's political and military capabilities, they realize that Iran is not Iraq. When Osirak was attacked by Israel in June 1981, Iraq did nothing: it could do nothing. One thing is nearly certain: Iran will respond to any attack on its nuclear sites. Iran's nuclear program has the broadest public support: as a result, the Iranian Revolution would suffer a serious loss of prestige if it did nothing to punish the attacks. The question is: what can Iran do in retaliation?
Both the CIA and DIA have conducted war games to determine the consequences of an American air attack on Iran's nuclear facilities. According to Newsweek (September 27, 2004), "No one liked the outcome." According to an Air Force source, "The war games were unsuccessful at preventing the conflict from escalating." In December 2004, The Atlantic Monthly reported similar results for its own war game on this question. The architect of these games, Sam Gardner, concluded, "You have no military solution for the issues of Iran."
What is the damage Iran can inflict? Since preparations for any US strike could not be kept secret, Iran may choose to preempt such a strike. According to the participants in the Atlantic Monthly war game, Iran could attack American troops across the border in Iraq. In responding to these attacks, the US troops would become even more vulnerable to the Iraqi insurgency. One participant expressed the view that Iran "may decide that a bloody defeat for the United States, even if it means chaos in Iraq, is something they actually prefer." Iran could also join hands with al-Qaida to mount attacks on civilian targets within the US. If Iranian losses mount, Iran may launch missiles against Israel or decide to block the flow of oil from the Gulf, options not considered in the Atlantic Monthly war game.
What are the realistic options available to the US? It could drag Iran to the UN Security Council and, if Russia and China climb on board, pass a motion for limited economic sanctions. Most likely, the US will not be asking for an Iraq-style oil embargo. Not only would this roil the markets for oil, Iran will respond by ending inspections, and accelerate its uranium enrichment. If Iran is indeed pursuing a nuclear program, then it will, perhaps sooner rather than later, have its bomb. Once that happens, one Israeli official in the Newsweek report said, "Look at ways to make sure it's not the mullahs who have their finger on the trigger." But the US and Israel have been pursuing that option since 1979.
It would appear that US-Israeli power over the Middle East, which had been growing since World War II, may have finally run into an obstacle. And that obstacle is Iran, a country the CIA had returned to a despotic monarch in 1953. Paradoxically, this has happened when American dominance over the region appears to be at its peak; when its troops occupy a key Arab country; when it has Iran sandwiched between US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan; and when it has trapped Iran inside a ring of US military bases running from Qatar, through Turkey and Tajikistan, to Pakistan.
Could it be that al-Qaida's gambit is beginning to pay off? It had hoped that the attacks of September 11 would provoke the US into invading the Islamic heartland. That the US did, but the mass upheaval al-Qaida had expected in the Arab streets did not materialize. Instead, it is Iran that has been the chief beneficiary of the US invasion. As a result, it is Iran that now possesses the leverage to oppose US-Israeli aims in the region. Al-Qaida had not planned on a Shi'ite country leading the Islamic world.
It is possible that the US, choosing to ignore the colossal risks, may yet launch air attacks against Iran. President Bush could be pushed into this by pressure from messianic Christians, by Neoconservatives, by Israelis, or by the illusion that he needs to do something bold and desperate to save his presidency. By refusing to wilt under US-Israeli threats, it appears that the Iranians too may be following al-Qaida's logic. We cannot tell if this is what motivates Iran. But that is where matters will go if the US decides to attack or invade Iran.
No one have yet remarked on some eerie parallels between the US determination to deepen its intervention in the Islamic world and Napoleons' relentless pursuit of the Russian forces, retreating, drawing them into the trap of the Russian winter. It would appear that the United States too is irretrievably committed to pursuing its Islamic foe to the finish, to keep moving forward even if this risks getting caught in a harsh Islamic winter. On the other hand, the Neoconservatives, the messianic Christians, and the Israelis are convinced that with their searing firepower, the US and Israel will succeed and plant a hundred pliant democracies in the Middle East. We will have to wait and see if these real men ever get to add Tehran to their next travel itinerary * or they have to give up the comforts of the Green Zone in Baghdad.

[Steve 1]

Look at the crap you post bent !!!

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Iraqs coalition government claims that it has uncovered documentary proof that Mohammed Atta, the al-Qaeda mastermind of the September 11 attacks against the US, was trained in Baghdad by Abu Nidal, the notorious Palestinian terrorist.
Claims is the key word here and also being provided by a puppet government
The last bastion of those who can't stand sucess, and have to deny reality ... The term "Puppet Government".
I guess W Germany (and so by extension the current German govt), France, Japan, and Italy are all "Puppet Govts. since WE installed those too. The Iraqi govt has been making it's own decisions since late 2003, without those decisions being steered or altered by us. The US Govt HAS NOT BEEN telling the Iraqi govt what to do a-la Poland/Yugoslavia/Czecoslovakia of the 50's thru 80's. THOSE govts had direct marching orders ISSUED BY THE KREMLIN.
3 elections Canuck, 3!
Every one with a LARGER VOTER TURNOUT than any US Presidential election in the past 100 years (now THAT'S a sad embarasament).

[SmokinLowriderSS]

OK Spaz but that article was two years old and had about as much fact in it as one of your rants. If you read the first paragraph it is clearly stated "coalition government claims" Not anything to stake your bet on is it
Yes, "CLAIMS" ..... Now why? Aparently they learned a lesson on vetting paperwork before swearing to it from CBS. Good thing they aren't taking lessons from the now retired reporter or his director who STILL THINK a mid 70's IBM typewriter belonging to the US govt had superscript abilities like 2002 Microsoft Word.

[SmokinLowriderSS]

Canuck, I posted the the link info 5 MINUITES after I read it, AN HOUR BEFORE I normally even get home from WORK. 3:43PM CST, I live 45 min from work and don't normally leave till 3:30 so don't cry to me or accuse me of yanking your chain for 12 hours. I was earning a paycheck since 5AM and spent the afternoon in family court while you 2 pi$$ed back & forth. I was trying to avoid the threadlocking you 2 caused. Enjoy

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Yes, "CLAIMS" ..... Now why? Aparently they learned a lesson on vetting paperwork before swearing to it from CBS. Good thing they aren't taking lessons from the now retired reporter or his director who STILL THINK a mid 70's IBM typewriter belonging to the US govt had superscript abilities like 2002 Microsoft Word.
Now I am confuesed, if a paper makes a "claim" that is in your favor it is ok, but if there is a "claim" from something else that you don't agree with it is hogwash and liberal crap and you are going to rip it apart. Sorta double standard you have there.