So Cal Grocery Store Strike

[djunkie]

25 bucks..... that just cost you more.... and if that does not bother you, then this is a wasted arguement...... it is not to hard to grasp, and it does not include my position...... skill = money.... no skill = less money, get a skill if you want more money.... do not strike and cry about it when you work in a position that anybody can do..... look at home depot for example.... I as a customer can check myself out just as easily as using a checkstand with a person..... they are fighting a lost cause..... they will be phased out in the future...... It seems poeple are missing my point..... let's look at a differant view.... a bum sits on the boardwalk begging for money, you might give him a buck or two.... but then you walk a little further and another person has themselves in costume, do a dance, play an instrument, bring a chuckle to yourself or put a smile on your kids face.... you give them a five or more in there jar because they have a talent, a skill which in turn gives them more $$$$...... Now the bum sees the five go in the bucket.... and cries.... hey give me a five, I need it more, I want more.... but I can not sing, dance, whatever..... do you give hime more, no, you tell him to learn a trick.... get a life, earn more by doing something rather then the samee old thing.... A store clerk is not doing anything more then they did years ago.... kinda do less now days with the computer doing the work... they are looked at as doing a good job because they look at your receipt and tell you how much you saved and say your name that was on the receipt when you swiped your card.... wow they aknowledged me by name.... give them a raise.... so that when the company looks at the bottom line.... the self checkout start up costs don't look so high anymore!
Don't get me wrong on this subject. I am 100% for unions if run right. Not saying the union I am in is run 100% right but they fight for whats right. As for the workers, in a way they did step on their own feet. As for skilled or unskilled I don't think that is what a union should be about. If the price of food goes up a bit so that a grocery store employee can afford to support their family than I am for it.
My union gave employment to some of those grocery workers during their strike. Problem was they didn't want to give it up after their strike was over so some sued over it. That left me bitter towards them. As for the reason they were striking, I was for it.

[HM]

Don't get me wrong on this subject. I am 100% for unions if run right. Not saying the union I am in is run 100% right but they fight for whats right. As for the workers, in a way they did step on their own feet. As for skilled or unskilled I don't think that is what a union should be about. If the price of food goes up a bit so that a grocery store employee can afford to support their family than I am for it.
My union gave employment to some of those grocery workers during their strike. Problem was they didn't want to give it up after their strike was over so some sued over it. That left me bitter towards them. As for the reason they were striking, I was for it.
That type of thinking that we should pay more to for people to afford to feed their families is very flawed and very socialistic. We are in a world economy that is results oriented. If you can't see the writing on the wall and work on getting new skills or ways to bring additional value, not only are your days numbered, but when you finally get the boot, you will be so far behind the curve that catching back up will be nearly impossible. Change is coming, and those that resist change, will lose, and those that embrace change will win. Is the change right or wrong? That is the question that most people don't realize does not matter....because change IS coming. We got 12 million+ illegals that are going to be given amnesty and another 25 million + will be here soon. All of the low to medium skilled jobs will be taken over by people that are happy to work for half the wage. Wrong or right....it is coming. The change is ultimately great for the world because it initiates revolutionary ideas that would not have been born had people not had to worry about change. Everywhere you look in the world you will see people thriving that embrace change and you will see people suffering and complaining where they resist change.

[djunkie]

That type of thinking that we should pay more to for people to afford to feed their families is very flawed and very socialistic. We are in a world economy that is results oriented. If you can't see the writing on the wall and work on getting new skills or ways to bring additional value, not only are your days numbered, but when you finally get the boot, you will be so far behind the curve that catching back up will be nearly impossible. Change is coming, and those that resist change, will lose, and those that embrace change will win. Is the change right or wrong? That is the question that most people don't realize does not matter....because change IS coming. We got 12 million+ illegals that are going to be given amnesty and another 25 million + will be here soon. All of the low to medium skilled jobs will be taken over by people that are happy to work for half the wage. Wrong or right....it is coming. The change is ultimately great for the world because it initiates revolutionary ideas that would not have been born had people not had to worry about change. Everywhere you look in the world you will see people thriving that embrace change and you will see people suffering and complaining where they resist change.
I wasn't saying that they should be payed 6 figures or anything. I understand educated/skilled people should be payed more if they produce. I just think that with the price of living and the price of everything in general going up so should a workers salary. I agree that if they don't wanna work then they should not be in the position but sometimes even the smallest of pay increases can influence a worker to do his/her job better.

[Rexone]

In the aftermath of the So Cal Grocery Store Stike a few years ago I'm curious how many changed their buying habits permanently following the strike.
Ah... ok lets have a union and strike argument.
After all this is ***boat.

[lewiville]

Not exactly true. Most unions have a reserve fund in times of strikes where they can assist members in need.
The last strike, the union was about to run out of resurve $$$, however it was funny to see that strikers making less $$$ and the multiple presidents of the grocery union still bringing home there $500,000 year salary and bonus's to boot. Just what I was told

[HM]

I wasn't saying that they should be payed 6 figures or anything. I understand educated/skilled people should be payed more if they produce. I just think that with the price of living and the price of everything in general going up so should a workers salary. I agree that if they don't wanna work then they should not be in the position but sometimes even the smallest of pay increases can influence a worker to do his/her job better.
This is where I disagree...and a lot has to do with being raised with the proper attitude. I don't think people should get paid anymore than a job is worth especially in a global economy where the competition not only is paying only that which the job is worth, they are working on new technologies to signficantly reduce or remove any and all human workers. To try and guilt people into paying more for something not because they brought value, but because they don't want to starve because they are too lazy or too scared to get new skills is not my problem. Now, if someone in a job really brings additional value to a job, then I am more than happy to see them rewarded, but most people who think they do, really are lying to themselves and mistake a job that is neccesary as the job that makes a company profitable. Unions are about as useful as a calculator watch these days, and their only tool is fear that "management" wants to take advantage of them. I don't operate in fear, I thrive in opportunities - which are everywhere...you just have to open your eyes.

[lewiville]

Yes I do work in the port. But I was always taught that unions were for workers rights and protection against unfair employer practices.
DJ,
I agree with you. The only thing is that things have changed and unions seem like they have turned into the mob. Taking the little guys money ( worker bee's ) and every time they go on strike it makes it worse on there income because when they strike obviously they take a smaller pay. A lot of long time employee's lost there cars and homes because they could not afford
there stuff.

[HM]

Ah... ok lets have a union and strike argument.
After all this is ***boat.
Dumbass....why do you think there was a strike?

[djunkie]

Ah... ok lets have a union and strike argument.
After all this is ***boat.
And to think, in the past I told myself to stay outta these discussions on here.

[djunkie]

DJ,
I agree with you. The only thing is that things have changed and unions seem like they have turned into the mob. Taking the little guys money ( worker bee's ) and every time they go on strike it makes it worse on there income because when they strike obviously they take a smaller pay. A lot of long time employee's lost there cars and homes because they could not afford
there stuff.
Yes and no. Not all unions go after pay. In fact some employers offer a higher pay in order to take away other things. Like benefits, retirement, and so on.