With almost 3000 members this site does stay pretty cool Tom. When I was over at DBR.com as Moderater, holy smokes!! what a cluster screw that was and we only had 300 members. Even the jet forums make that site seem tame. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/biggrin.gif I don't even log on over there at DBR.com anymore, it's sad. http://free.***boat.net/ubb/frown.gif Duane Sims works his butt off to give the racing community a place to congregate, and folks want to tear the place apart.