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Thread: Looking at new trucks

  1. #1
    hava life
    I will be getting a new truck soon and I am thinking about getting a diesel this time. Right now I have a Chevy 2500 and get an average of 11 mpg. I heard the diesel is getting between 18 and some say almost 30. I do tow with the truck so that is why I am going to get diesel next time.
    What are the pros and cons with Chevy, Dodge, Ford.
    I have heard a lot of negative about transmissions on some and motors on others.
    How about service? An oil change on a diesel is quit a bit more than gas do you change every 3500m?
    Any info would help. Usually keep my truck for quit awhile and want to make sure if I go to diesel than I will be able to keep it for long term and get a reliable truck
    Here's what I have had last 20 yrs.
    88 Chevy Blazer K5 385000 miles then stolen replaced motor at 20800 and tranny every 2 years
    01 F150 18000miles no problems
    03 Chevy 2500 hitting 11000 miles cluster keeps going wacko, transfer case and front hub replaced.
    Any info would be appreciated.

  2. #2
    curtis73
    Without invoking brand wars, here is my take after having owned two chevys and a ford, as well as working for a company that had a fleet of dodges and a fleet of Fords.
    The chevys I had were hand-me-downs from my dad who is a die-hard chevy guy. One was a 98 6.5TD, the other an 05 Dmax/Allison. I love the Dmax. The allison hasn't proven to be too reliable in its as-delivered tune. In typical fashion, GM took a bulletproof tranny and softened it up so the old folks wouldn't complain about rough shifts and somewhat neutered its reliability. The aftermarket has solutions that make it absolutely rock solid, so I would suggest those mods if you tow alot. if you're just towing 5000 lbs, don't sweat it, but if you're going to be doing a lot over 10k or power mods, I'd consider upgrading.
    The fleet of dodges we had were 24v cummins, mostly 01-02 models. They were bulletproof. Some of them had nearly 400k on them, with long idling spells and PTO use. We sorta sold them more because bean counters decided that there was a tax advantage or the rate of depreciation and potential for repairs was risky. So, a whole new fleet of 6.0 powerchokes was ordered. I have one word for you; don't. No real word on the new 6.4s, but I'd be wary.
    The new bigger cummins is pretty much hated in the circles I travel. Unproven reliability (not so much in the engine itself, but all the crazy emissions stuff) has stifled the love. Who knows, it might be nothing, but the guys I know are currently scouring the country looking for the last of the smaller cummins before they're gone. As of this summer, they're scarce.
    I personally want the reliability of the upgraded allison, the styling and ride of the chevy, the interior comfort and overall quality of the ford, and the cummins from the dodge. Is that too much to ask?
    If you're buying a daily driver that tows a little, I'd suggest the Dmax/Allison, but the little foibles of the chevy truck bug the heck out of me. For instance, my Dmax truck, no matter what you do, when you turn the key on it starts playing disc 1 on the radio. It could be off, set to FM, or playing disc 3, but it always goes to disc 1 when you turn it on. The interior lights sometimes won't shut off, the trailer wiring is awful and completely unreliable despite trying multiple connectors. Frustrating to say the least. The A/C on every GM I have is totally inadequate if you're stopped. Die-hard chevy owners like my dad who wouldn't dirty his butt in a Ford has never had the experience of a truck without all those little issues so he thinks its normal. If you're buying a purpose-built tow vehicle and don't mind the lower-rated ride, comfort, and ergonomics, I'd go Dodge. If you're most concerned about creature comforts and truck reliability and aren't too concerned about the reliability of the engine, go Ford.
    That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

  3. #3
    pw_Tony
    I know some Duramax's had injector troubles and were blowing up motors.
    But the Allison worked out ok, my buddy's 2003 went out at 230,000 so that's pretty damn good in my book.
    I heard the same thing about the Cummins, the Smaller ones kick ass and take names, and produce the most torque and will last FOREVER. But the new motors seem to be turning away more people.
    And for a Ford.... just don't, even though I'm a Ford guy I'm not impressed with the Powersmokes

  4. #4
    hava life
    Curtis73 thanks for your info
    I just drove the Dodge mega cab 2500 today and I was very impressed with the ride and it seemed to have a lot of power. They let me take it and show my wife at her shop but when she got in she noticed a lot that she didn't like. One thing the air didn't blow as strong and as cold as it should have been. The grab handle is not over the door, she definitely did not like the position that her arm was in on the door side. I noticed that the mpg was only getting 11, but the truck has 49miles on it.
    When we went back to the dealer he said as far as the air that it is a big cab so there's a lot to cool, my wife has a Tahoe and the air freezes you.
    The mpg is because its new and will need about 7000 miles to get broken in for better mpg??
    I know the seating she will have to get used to but I will have to hear about it every time.
    Is it true that the mpg will improve that much?

  5. #5
    hava life
    Now I did it. Just came from the Ford dealer and the wife fell in love with the Lincoln Navigator. Anyone have any word on this vehicle. Our anniversary is coming up and this would be nice to do.

  6. #6
    NuckinFutz
    Anyone who is saying they are getting 30 mpg is feeding you full of sh*t. It don't matter what diesel you get, you're in a big heavy truck. I'll buy it on a 2wd Isuzu mini pickup, but that aint' gonna pull the boat. I've have a Dodge and two Fords currently. I average about 17 empty with the Dodge and 14 and 17 for the two Fords. They all are running 35" tires and lifts and I know that hurts, but I have about $2000 in goodies on one Ford and the mileage still isn't great, about 11 pulling my 25' boat. Am I against diesels-hell no, but I'm realistic and know the mileage isn't in the 20's. I change my oil every 5000 miles and fuel filter every 10,000.

  7. #7
    YeLLowBoaT
    just a note they just changed formula of diesel... no one knows for sure what the effects it will have older( or hell even the new ones)trucks. At this point its all up in the air.

  8. #8
    hava life
    YeLLowBoaT just a note they just changed formula of diesel... no one knows for sure what the effects it will have older( or hell even the new ones)trucks. At this point its all up in the air.
    So is this going to be another bad thing?
    I was told that the diesel was getting the same mpg pulling as it would empty. I have not had a diesel yet and have been able to tow what I needed to it may be 7mpg and slower but I wonder what the new diesel formula will do????
    Luckily I won't be buying today but in the next couple of months maybe I will stick with gas

  9. #9
    cc322

  10. #10
    JakeC.
    i work at a chevy dealer as a d-max tech. as of 07 the new body style d-max runs on the new low sulfur fuel. the epa has madated this fuel for much lower emissions. the sulfur in the fuel has been cut more than 95 percent i do believe. this means that you should not see the black smoke out of the tail pipe anymore. there is a lot of new technolagy that is not proven yet with the new diesel particulate system that is run with the new fuel. on the 07 d-max with the particulate system you must run low sulfur fuel or it will cost you a lot of money that warranty wont cover. also if you are one of the people who do there own oil change like a lot of us. the new truck uses a new special synthetic diesel oil that works with the system. that to will cost you a lot of money to fix the problems that will accure if you use the wrong stuff. as far as the injectors go, 01-05 d-max's did have some problems with the injectors have bad balance rates. but i have never ever once heard of them blowing up an engine. the only way i think it could happen is if the injector housing was cracked and leaking fuel into the crank case, but that wouldnt hurt the engine considering diesel fuel is a low grade oil anyways. the 06 i have yet to do any injectors on any of the trucks that i have worked on. as for ford and dodge and how they are comming along with the particulate filter system, i have not heard anything yet. so i can not tell you anything on the dodge or ford as a tech standpoint. if you have any other questoins as far as the d-max's let me know and i will see if i can answer them.
    Jake

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