Really bad night tonight....

[Jbb]

It varies.
Are you suggesting civilians are lying and homicidal?
I'll tell you what, Festus. There are cops with attitudes, just as there are cops without.
I've been pulled over once in the last 20 years. It was about 10 years ago. Our highway speed limits here 100 kph. I generally drive 105. There is a small gully on the way to the lake that has a 90 kph limit. I don't know why. It's in the middle of nowhere but this reduced speed section exists and went through there at 105 kph, the way I always do.
I was taking an electrician buddy to the lake to help us wire the, then new, shop. We were pulled over, the LEO approached the window with his wind pipe blazing and his partner a few steps back, gun drawn. "DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE FUKKING SPEED LIMIT IS HERE?" My buddy gave me a "this is not going to go well for you look" as I answered, "yes".
He said, "Well, what is it?" I told him the speed limit was 100 kph where he was standing but that I just passed a short segment with a 90 kph and did so at 105 kph.
He didn't pull me from the vehicle. He looked around the car really well, then ripped my license and registration out of my hand in a huff, and then went back to his car.
My buddy and I didn't say anything. We both knew I was screwed. I hadn't had a ticket in over a decade so it wasn't a big deal.
Ten minutes later, the LEO came back, no partner, no gun, and gave me back my registration along with a warning ticket. He was now calm and rational, asked me to slow down and sent me on my way.
.... so here's the deal. A cop comes at me with his throat and attitude blazing and I have to suck it up. In the grand scheme, it's not a big deal.
Yeah... I know... the cop probably pulled over a long succession of lying assholes who live in the area but pretend to not be aware of the 90 kph zone and maybe the last car caused some problems. I do have some insight into LEO's work, through the eyes of a couple of LEO friends of mine.
If I have a huge argument with my wife, hop in the car, screech away from the house, get pulled over, and then throw some attitude in the face of the cop, you know how it's going to go. They won't stand for that shit. LEOs shouldn't have to put up with that. The thing is, neither should the public have to deal with a bunch of irate attitude.
Hey, I know that most police are good people. You guys don't interact with a random selection of society. You tend to interact with people who are drunk or somehow out of control. I've backed LEO professionalism here in the past because we desperately need law and order.
We don't know what went on at this stop and it would be a good guess that if we could here from the LEO involved, his story would be quite different. Fair enough.
DSW is a fellow forum member so, as far as I'm concerned, let him bitch. He just wanted to get it off his chest. There's no need to turn this into an us versus them argument. If you would think before posting, I'm sure you would see that.
Doncha see?
You are speaking, of course, of officers Cocknuckles and Dickluck...?

[River Runin]

Before most of you post on this site do you ever give any consideration to what you are going to type. If I had to bet I would say "no." All the tough guys on here with "this cop is trying to make a name for himself", and "he must be a rookie", or my favorite "he can't search my car, I know my rights" you guys are funny.
First, the US Supreme Court has ruled traffic stops are inherantly dangerous and by their ruling allows officers to remove occupants from the vehicle for the safety of the officer and the occupants. If you remember there was a little case out of Riverside, Ca with a person named Latasha Harlines (SP). She was the young lady who was asleep with a gun on her lap. As the officers tried to wake her she reached towards the gun. Fearing for their safety the officers shot and killed her. In the end four lives were ruined, hers and three officers.
Second,when a person tells you they have a gun on a traffic stop, you should handle the situation differently people should get pulled out from the car, searched, and the vehicle should get searched. It may come as a suprise to some but people sometimes don't tell the truth to cops. Searching the car for the weapon is well within the scope of case law as it relates to vehicle searches. Courts have ruled vehicles are very transient and has more liberial view of vehicle searches. CWP allow you to carry specific weapons not any weapon. So if you are permitted for a .25 Berreta you better not carry a .40 Sig or you could go to jail, but this specificity allows officers to search compartments which might be able to conceal unlawful weapons.
Third, for the people who don't like it when officers do their job to the fullest and it impacts their day dont call us when its hot, cold, your home alone, you kicked the wife and dog, you hear a noise, someone stole your rhino, the pipes on your neighbors bike is to loud or any of the other reasons you call because it takes away from my time trying to make a name for myself.
ROFL!! OK, Power Trippin Trooper!!
So the driver is stopped "Arizona highway patrol pulled me over cause my safety chain was dragging and sparking a bit."
So,You lay your above BS out...Just to Justify a Search?, hopefully find something?, And get that thing to the Auction!!$$$-----Sure didn't sound like a SAFETY CHAIN STOP!!-----Just a Traffic SEARCH....ing for, _________ well Hell, You fill in the Blank!!!!!!
And since LE "KNOWS" I have a CCW----The class I took, said you Do Not have to present IT!!...Unless asked...stopped twice, never told, And they Never Asked!

[River Rat 005]

What I want to know...Did you fix the dragging chain before you left?

[DSW]

What I want to know...Did you fix the dragging chain before you left?
Actually no. I drove a bit down the road and pulled over and fixed them, as per instructions of the officer.
I'm not really angry, just suprised. Back when I lived in California every time I got pulled over it was a hassle. I just thought it would be diffrent here. I guess I was wrong.

[RiverRatMike]

Actually no. I drove a bit down the road and pulled over and fixed them, as per instructions of the officer.
I'm not really angry, just suprised. Back when I lived in California every time I got pulled over it was a hassle. I just thought it would be diffrent here. I guess I was wrong.
Man that sucks. I was up on the hill behind our river house taking lightning photos and noticed someone pulled over north bound just at the top of that hill about 2 miles passed the casino.

[mark49]

Actually no. I drove a bit down the road and pulled over and fixed them, as per instructions of the officer.
I'm not really angry, just suprised. Back when I lived in California every time I got pulled over it was a hassle. I just thought it would be diffrent here. I guess I was wrong.
Based on your experience with that LEO are cops appear better in Southern Calif then Arizona, at least the Highway patrol.
I’ve been San Bernardino County CCW since the 80s, and i find that most maybe 90% of police in the Inland Empire support CCW holders. Matter of fact a buddy of mine was pulled over going 80 MPH in a 55 and was guilty as hell, after the fog cleared and CCW presented he was let go without a citation, my opinion the CCW was a helpful tool in this case?
SBCSD Sheriff Penrod is very pro civilian rights for protection, you might say that say that San Bernardino County is a right to carry county, and he expresses this to his deputies.
Just for the record this LEO had the right to inspect your weapon, remove it with your hopefully with your cooperation. As for the inspection of your vehicle, unless something is missing from your post, the officer did not appear to have probable cause for any other action, I can’t see in your post where you gave this officer any other reason to proceed as he did as you had not given this officer any reason to semi-detain you as you lawfully complied.
For this officer to search your car, required your passengers to sit on the curb, etc had to be based on something other then your legal weapon and Az CCW permit. His actions would have to fall into another category. Having a CCW in California or Arizona doe’s not give any law enforcement officer to act unlawfully.
Assuming you had both hands on the steering wheel, you complied, you were polite, respectfully you exited the vehicle and the weapon was removed appropriately.
Now this is me speaking, I would have not complied with the search other then my person (Knowing I had never once broken a law other then traffic infractions in my life) I would have politely asked the officer why he felt the need to remove myself and family from my car. Officer am I being arrested or detained??? Can I have your supervisor stop by I would like to ask him if this is standard procedure.
Just one other note: Once run up on the LEO’s computer you’re just a statistic on the screen, when your license showed you were Mr. Honest citizen what the hell went wrong?
Like I said something is missing here, you sure the backseat of your car wasn’t full of empty Budweiser cans, you had a bong on the dashboard? Your breath smelled like old beef Jerky and scotch?
I recommend all who have the need to carry get a CCW in your state, its suppose to help avoid situations like this, rather then inflate them.
For the other person that asked about Calif CCW permit is you must be a resident of San Bernardino County, or one of the other CCW friendly Calif Counties, most other requirements are similar to CCW Arizona’s
My 2 cents
Mark