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  1. #11
    SmokinLowriderSS
    US as Belligerent Occupant
    Iraq and the Laws of War
    By FRANCIS A. BOYLE
    The United States government's installation of the so-called Interim Government of Iraq during the summer of 2004 did not materially alter this legal situation. Under the laws of war, this so-called Interim Government of Iraq is nothing more than a "puppet government." As the belligerent occupant of Iraq the United States government is free to establish a puppet government if it so desires. But under the laws of war, the United States government remains fully accountable for the behavior of its puppet government.
    These conclusions are made quite clear by paragraph 366 of U.S. Army Field Manual 27-10 (1956):
    366. Local Governments Under Duress and Puppet Governments
    The restrictions placed upon the authority of a belligerent government cannot be avoided by a system of using a puppet government, central or local, to carry out acts which would be unlawful if performed directly by the occupant. Acts induced or compelled by the occupant are nonetheless its acts.
    As the belligerent occupant of Iraq, the United States government is obligated to ensure that its puppet Interim Government of Iraq obeys the Four Geneva Conventions of 1949, the 1907 Hague Regulations on land warfare, U.S. Army Field Manual 27-10 (1956), the humanitarian provisions of Additional Protocol I of 1977 to the Four Geneva Conventions of 1949, and the customary international laws of war. Any violation of the laws of war, international humanitarian law, and human rights committed by its puppet Interim Government of Iraq are legally imputable to the United States government. As the belligerent occupant of Iraq, both the United States government itself as well as its concerned civilian officials and military officers are fully and personally responsible under international criminal law for all violations of the laws of war, international humanitarian law, and human rights committed by its puppet Interim Government of Iraq such as, for example, reported death squads operating under the latter's auspicies.
    Furthermore, it was a total myth, fraud, lie, and outright propaganda for the Bush Jr. administration to maintain that it was somehow magically transferring "sovereignty" to its puppet Interim Government of Iraq during the summer of 2004. Under the laws of war, sovereignty is never transferred from the defeated sovereign such as Iraq to a belligerent occupant such as the United States. This is made quite clear by paragraph 353 of U.S. Army Field Manual 27-10 (1956): "Belligerent occupation in a foreign war, being based upon the possession of enemy territory, necessarily implies that the sovereignty of the occupied territory is not vested in the occupying power. Occupation is essentially provisional."
    If there were any doubt about this matter, paragraph 358 of U.S. Army Field Manual 27-10 (1956) makes this legal fact crystal clear:
    358. Occupation Does Not Transfer Sovereignty
    Being an incident of war, military occupation confers upon the invading force the means of exercising control for the period of occupation. It does not transfer the sovereignty to the occupant, but simply the authority or power to exercise some of the rights of sovereignty. The exercise of these rights results from the established power of the occupant and from the necessity of maintaining law and order, indispensable both to the inhabitants and the occupying force. . . .
    Therefore, the United States government never had any "sovereignty" in the first place to transfer to its puppet Interim Government of Iraq. In Iraq the sovereignty still resides in the hands of the people of Iraq and in the state known as the Republic of Iraq, where it has always been. The legal regime described above will continue so long as the United States remains the belligerent occupant of Iraq. Only when that U.S. belligerent occupation of Iraq is factually terminated can the people of Iraq have the opportunity to exercise their international legal right of sovereignty by means of free, fair, democratic, and uncoerced elections. So as of this writing, the United States and the United Kingdom remain the belligerent occupants of Iraq despite their bogus "transfer" of their non-existent "sovereignty" to their puppet Interim Government of Iraq.
    Even U.N. Security Council Resolution 1546 of 8 June 2004 "Welcoming" the installation of the puppet Interim Government of Iraq recognized this undeniable fact of international law. Preambular language in this Resolution referred to "the letter of 5 June 2004 from the United States Secretary of State to the President of the Council, which is annexed to this resolution." In other words, that annexed letter is a legally binding part of Resolution 1546 (2004). Therein U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell pledged to the U.N. Security Council with respect to the so-called Multinational Force (MNF) in Iraq: "In addition, the forces that make up the MNF are and will remain committed at all times to act consistently with their obligations under the law of armed conflict, including the Geneva Conventions." Pursuant thereto, the United States and the United Kingdom still remain the belligerent occupants of Iraq subject to the Four Geneva Conventions of 1949, the Hague Regulations of 1907, U.S. Army Field Manual 27-10 (1956) or respectively its British equivalent, the humanitarian provisions of Additional Protocol I of 1977 to the Four Geneva Conventions of 1949, and the customary international laws of war.
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    And so we are aparently still running Germany, since we are still stationing troops there, hence "occupying" the country? It took 7 years to get Germany onto it's feet to run itself in the 40's & 50's. Looks like they are STILL a "Puppet Govt" untill we pull ALL troops out?
    The "death-squads" were not operated by ANY govt of iraq. Exerpt follows :
    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/au...vinc-a05.shtml
    He wrote, “A police lieutenant confirmed for me the widespread rumors that a few police officers are perpetrating many of the hundreds of assassinations—mostly of former Baath Party members—that take place in Basra each month.... He told me that there is even a sort of ‘death car,’ a white Toyota Mark II that glides through the city streets, carrying off-duty police officers in the pay of extremist religious groups to their next assignment.” Two days after these words were published, a “death car” came for Vincent himself.
    Ok, so ... since the OFF DUTY police officers, were being paid by LOCAL CLERICS, WITHOUT ANY GOVT SANCTION, killing off the bath party people who had been murduring people for the better part of 3 decades, The Natl Govt is responsible? Bull$&#t. Ok, I guess the LA govt is responsible for the Crips & Bloods killings too. Maybe the NFL is responsible for OJ killing his ex & her b/f? Again, simply WRONG. The latest lie exposed.

  2. #12
    Steve 1
    Where does the fag Boyle mention the ceasefire agreement of 1991 that Iraq was in constant violation of???
    Funny thing you violate a cease-fire agreement what does that Equal???? Duh you are at WAR someone should point that out to the Moron!

  3. #13
    SmokinLowriderSS
    US as Belligerent Occupant
    Iraq and the Laws of War
    By FRANCIS A. BOYLE
    This brings the analysis to the so-called Constitution of Iraq that was allegedly drafted by the puppet Interim Government of Iraq under the impetus of the United States government. Article 43 of the 1907 Hague Regulations on land warfare flatly prohibits the change in a basic law such as a state's Constitution during the course of a belligerent occupation: "The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country." This exact same prohibition has been expressly incorporated in haec verba into paragraph 363 of U.S. Army Field Manual 27-10 (1956). To the contrary, the United States has demonstrated gross disrespect toward every law in Iraq that has stood in the way of its imperial designs and petroleum ambitions, including and especially the pre-invasion 1990 Interim Constitution for the Republic of Iraq.
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    The Iraqi Govt which had "ratified" and "followed" (used VERY dubiouisly here for the sake of discussion) colapsed and vanished when Baghdad fell. All governmental business ceased to happen, the "hussein govt in exile" (similar to the "french govt in exile" of WW2 in england) was pulled out of his hole eventually and THAT "governmental" entity ceased to function as a govt. There was NO GOVT TO MAKE ANY LAWS OF THE LAND, and so, NULLIFIES all those laws untill a new govt is set up.
    Geezzzzzzzzzz I'm glad this guy isn't about to represent me in COURT someplace.
    I suppose then that the juden laws still stand in Germany because they WERE THE LAWS OF THE LAND in the early 40's, prior to the colapse and abdication of the National Socialist Govt of Germany. The folowing govt (set up by the US and others) could not change them .......

  4. #14
    Blown 472
    And so we are aparently still running Germany, since we are still stationing troops there, hence "occupying" the country? It took 7 years to get Germany onto it's feet to run itself in the 40's & 50's. Looks like they are STILL a "Puppet Govt" untill we pull ALL troops out?
    The "death-squads" were not operated by ANY govt of iraq. Exerpt follows :
    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/au...vinc-a05.shtml
    He wrote, “A police lieutenant confirmed for me the widespread rumors that a few police officers are perpetrating many of the hundreds of assassinations—mostly of former Baath Party members—that take place in Basra each month.... He told me that there is even a sort of ‘death car,’ a white Toyota Mark II that glides through the city streets, carrying off-duty police officers in the pay of extremist religious groups to their next assignment.” Two days after these words were published, a “death car” came for Vincent himself.
    Ok, so ... since the OFF DUTY police officers, were being paid by LOCAL CLERICS, WITHOUT ANY GOVT SANCTION, killing off the bath party people who had been murduring people for the better part of 3 decades, The Natl Govt is responsible? Bull$&#t. Ok, I guess the LA govt is responsible for the Crips & Bloods killings too. Maybe the NFL is responsible for OJ killing his ex & her b/f? Again, simply WRONG. The latest lie exposed.
    WHat are you talking about?

  5. #15
    SmokinLowriderSS
    US as Belligerent Occupant
    Iraq and the Laws of War
    By FRANCIS A. BOYLE
    Most recently, to the same effect is U.N. Security Council Resolution 1637 of 9 November 2005, which extends the foreign military occupation of Iraq until 31 December 2006 but expressly subject to Annex II thereof setting forth a 29 October 2005 letter by U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to the President of the Security Council guaranteeing that: "The forces that make up the MNF will remain committed to acting consistently with their obligations under international law, including the law of armed conflict." Thereunder, the new Iraqi government that will be installed after the self-styled elections of 15 December 2005 will still remain a puppet government according to the laws of war.
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    Already blew the puppet govt thing out of the water ......

  6. #16
    Steve 1
    I failed to see mentioned anything about the Iraqi Mass murdering of 100's of thousands nor written the fact He Saddam sent 22 choppers loaded with Iraqi commandos to assonate the emir of Kuwait (we got him out)
    Anyone who has compassion for Hussein should be hung!

  7. #17
    SmokinLowriderSS
    US as Belligerent Occupant
    Iraq and the Laws of War
    By FRANCIS A. BOYLE
    As for any subsequent Security Council Resolutions, the United Nations Security Council has no power or authority to alter one iota of the laws of war since they are peremptory norms of international law. For the Security Council even to purport to authorize U.S. violations of the laws of war in Iraq would render its so-voting Member States aiders and abettors to U.S. war crimes and thus guilty of committing war crimes in their own right. Any Security Council attempt to condone, authorize, or approve violations of the Four Geneva Conventions of 1949, the 1907 Hague Regulations, the humanitarian provisions of Additional Protocol I of 1977 to the Four Geneva Conventions of 1949, and the customary international laws of war by the United States and the United Kingdom in Iraq would be ultra vires, a legal nullity, and void ab initio.
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    There have been ZERO ALTERATIONS of the Laws of War, period, end of story. Ya figure my unit's JAG office would just let me go unawares eh? Not a chance, forget it.
    Another hot-air'd atorney spouting latin. Looks good, sounds neat, about as much substance as cotton candy.

  8. #18
    Kachina26
    Hoo boy am I gonna have fun wrecking this pile of fluff ......... :crossx:
    All of them 1 at a time .....
    Why no links to the leftist BS sites you pasted this pap from? I could START there.
    here is one lies.com (http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle10621.htm)

  9. #19
    SmokinLowriderSS
    US as Belligerent Occupant
    Iraq and the Laws of War
    By FRANCIS A. BOYLE
    In fact, the United Nations Organization itself has become complicit in U.S. and U.K. international crimes in Iraq in violation of the customary international laws of war set forth in paragraph 500 of U.S. Army Field Manual 27-10 (1956): ". . . complicity in the commission of, crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, and war crimes are punishable." The United Nations Organization is walking down the path of the League of Nations toward Trotsky's "ashcan" of history. And George Bush Jr. and Tony Blair are heading towards their own Judgment at Nuremberg, whose sixtieth anniversary the rest of the world gratefully but wistfully commemorates this year. Never again!
    Francis A. Boyle, Professor of Law, University of Illinois,
    Just like in the "outing" investigation. it's hard to claim duplicitousness in a crime, when NO CRIMES OCCURED.
    The only thing that MIGHT be true is that the UN might just exterminate itself eventually, corrupt monstrosity that it is.
    Hey, THIS "lawyer" might make a good Democrat politician, he spouts BS like one.
    Done .......... now to destroy blown's defending the crap.

  10. #20
    SmokinLowriderSS
    Warring nation?? did Iraq declare war on us???
    The state of war has stood ever since the Kuwaiti Govt In Exile asked for our help removign the Iraqi millitary from the country of Kuwait in the fall of 1991 and specifically since the invasion of Kuwait in the winter of 1992.
    Done, again.

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