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Thread: What makes a boat strong

  1. #21
    spectras only
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by spectras only
    [B]QUOTE][i]Originally posted by RiverDave
    seen some shaking like a ***** in church, and others making that "thud" and movin on... etc.. "THUD" , that's the measure of a strong hull,hehe . You ride in my 24 spectra and that's the sound you'll get . Built like a sherman tank , slower than the new boats .Four full length stringers make a difference
    BTW , maybe Halletts are so popular cause Bud Bailey has been their chief designer in the past

  2. #22
    Froggystyle
    HD is absolutely right on the descriptions. Good Job! BTW, I know very little about the actual materials, but I have hired the preeminent experts in the field to do the layup schedule for us.
    What Dave was referring to is the fundamental differences I found between the different types of mat and the technology that is available.
    The problem with woven mat is that it traps a ton of resin, and resin is non-structural for the most part. Without going too far into it, the glass fiber is strongest as a single strand that is straight, not bent. When you weave a set of strands, you gain a lot of strength over a single direction though, because a single direction layer will crack when pressure is applied width-wise. The problem with a weave, is you take away a ton of inherent strength in the glass by bending it (by weaving) and then making it hard with resin. It creates millions of little stress points. In addition, the little voids in the glass matrix created by the weave itself need to be filled with.... that's right. Non-structural resin. The average wet-layout hull construction has about a 67 percent resin volume... meaning obviously that only 33% of the volume of the boat is structural fiberglass. And, conversely about 50% of the total hull weight is non-structural, non-functional resin.
    One way we are building parts of the Revolution is by using what Dave referred to as "uni-directional" glass. This is glass that all runs in parallel lines and is held together by magic it appears. There are no weaves, and nothing to affect it's linear strength and resistance to stretching. One of the best things about this method, is that each fiber, when taken on a microscopic level needs only a very small amount of resin to achieve maximum possible strength. This number reduces when you overdo the resin, as is very common in our favorite "Super sturdy" constructions. (Sorry Brent ) Sometimes by half. If you have any questions regarding this fact, try to break a piece of fiberglass vs. a piece of resin. The resin will crack nearly effortlessly, regardless of thickness. A cored fiberglass sandwich will not. This single layer is not very strong for use in a panel unfortunately. It's "fiber volume" is extremely high though. Something around 80% fiber to 20% resin. Super light, super strong... in one direction. The solution to this is multiple layers of uni-directional glass, in a custom layed construction. You will still see the four axis construction, but it will be done with individual layers instead of one single handy piece of Quadraxial glass or Knytex. The end result is approximately 70% fiber volume when layed up like this, and 30% resin, for a huge weight savings, and monster strength increase. Weight is power, weight is fuel economy, strength is durability. This, combined with some proprietary layup stuff we are doing is going to result in an extremely stiff, very quiet, very durable hull layup.
    Thanks for asking! hehe...

  3. #23
    Essex502
    Originally posted by Havasu_Dreamin
    Keep in mind, this is based on my own research when looking to buy a new boat in 2000 and Wes will have way more knoweldge than I could ever have on this subject.
    Types of glass (in terms of direction of the glass):
    Random: this type of fiberglass when you look at it just has the fiberglass going in many different directions, there is no pattern to the "madness"
    Bi-Directional: this type of fiberglass has the glass laid out in a pattern follwoing two directions, vertical and horizontal, and are interwoven.
    Tri-Directional: this type of glass is essentially the same as bi-directional except now instead of having a glass pattern on two axis it is now on three axis'. Again, the glass is interwoven.
    Quad-Directional: also referred to as quad-axial becasue it is fiberglass interwoven on 4 different axis'.
    4 axis? X - Y - Z - ?? What's the fourth? Rotational? Time? (as in 4th dimension)

  4. #24
    Froggystyle
    4 directions on a flat plane... Smartass

  5. #25
    Essex502
    Originally posted by Froggystyle
    4 directions on a flat plane... Smartass
    har, har, har,har
    Us scientific types (HD included - he's a rocket scientist!) think in 3 space axes! Right hand rule and all that.

  6. #26
    Havasu_Dreamin
    I think??

  7. #27
    MagicMtnDan
    Originally posted by RiverDave
    Us good machinist types.. think in 5 or 6 axis.. (not axes)
    RD
    Nope, sorry RD. The plural of axis is axes. As in 5 or 6 axes ("ak-zeez")
    ax·is ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kss)
    n. pl. ax·es (ksz)
    A straight line about which a body or geometric object rotates or may be conceived to rotate.
    Mathematics.
    An unlimited line, half-line, or line segment serving to orient a space or a geometric object, especially a line about which the object is symmetric.
    A reference line from which distances or angles are measured in a coordinate system.
    A center line to which parts of a structure or body may be referred.
    An imaginary line to which elements of a work of art, such as a picture, are referred for measurement or symmetry.
    One of three mutually perpendicular lines that define the orientation of an aircraft, with one being along its direction of travel and the other two being perpendicular to the direction of travel.
    A line through the optical center of a lens that is perpendicular to both its surfaces.

  8. #28
    spectras only
    RD , don't worry MMD is just splitting hairs . Axis is the term in the industry ,regardless of how many there is

  9. #29
    HOSS
    Speaking of axis,,,,,the North and South Poles are a detremental part in resin strength during layup just from a gravitational "settling" of fibers and resin. So inherently the fibers should set up longitudinally with respected fibers/strands.
    Just another tip from your buddy HOSS! Moonlight and grasshoppers my friend.

  10. #30
    Tom Brown
    HOSS, do you keep your razor blades in a cardboard pyramid to keep them sharp?

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