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[HARDIN18]

My whole family and I grew up going to the Red rooster. We burnt our trailer to the ground when they evicted us. Now the land just sits there looking like shit. F*CK the indians for taking that place from us. Kind of funny how they bitch about us taking there land then they turn around and do the same. Two wrongs don't make a right. F*cking hipocrats!

[RIPPINGNOLEGSKROKER]

The handwritting is on the wall. We are pretty much screwed. I have been on that stretch of river my whole life and it is about a week from over. This dispute over the river boundry has been around for over 100 years. This last fight has been going on for 12years I think. The Westbank homeowners assoc. has tried everything they could, including sueing Riverside county for enforecment issues of Unlawful tresspass. Desparate time call for desparate measures. When the 9th district made a judgemant a few years ago, Havasu residents Wendt and Colburn found out the swift action the Indians can take, they were gone. I feel like they are taking part of my heritage. I,ve seen the floods, watched a prime Alfalfa field turn to a dust bowl, Drank my first beer with my dad, etc...No widlife my foot,Mule deer,snakes,quail, dove, geese,tortoise,and if you like carp your in luck. Between CRIT booting us off the land and Boxer and Feinstein trying to close the desert what the **** are we to do. I guess we should sit at home and play video games and waste time on the internet, or watch tabloid TV. The poor indians is BS, Crit sure loves to fly their new helicopter up and down the river. They are probably scoping out the prime houses that they are going to live in. Some people will get to stay but a year to year lease prepaid one year advance is going to run $150-200 bucks a front foot. No Thank you. I would love to burn the place but I think it is written that if you do burn it the indians can charge you clean up. Sorry about the rant. Late. I hope they build another casino because that stretch of river does not have enough water for all the 25-40 foot ocean boats everyone has to have right now. POISON the Well, oldest trick in the book

[Essex502]

Since the Indians, at their convenience, invoke "Tribal Sovereignity" when it pleases them maybe we as citizens of the United States should invoke our rights:
1) Erecting a wall around those Sovereign Nations that are enclosed by U.S. territory so we don't have an invasion from a foreign land.
2) Close and barricade any roads leading to such enclosed nations.
3) Require passports and visas to be issued by the State Department to any Sovereign Nation citizen who wishes to visit the United States.
4) Treat any such person from these Sovereign Nations who do not have proper documentation, i.e. visa, as an undocumented, illegal alien and immediately deport them.
5) Refuse any state or federal funds or services to those people that are citizens of these Sovereign Nations.
6) Allow all interested parties such as non-Indian racetracks to have casino gambling including slot machines. Why worry what goes on in a foreign land, right? So we take away any benefit of U.S. citizens from going into the Sovereign Nations.
7) And if the above doesn't wake those pesky Indians up then treat them as we treated Saddam Hussein! Invade, take what we want and and tell them tough sh!t.
If effect, treat the Indians who wish to not participate fully with the laws or the State or Federal government of the United States as foreign nationals just like we do with any other country.
They cannot have their "cake" and eat it too. They are either U.S. Citizens bound by U.S. law or they are not! Choose!

[Essex502]

Originally posted by BoatCop
Don't get me wrong on this issue. It's not that I don't think Native Americans don't deserve a lot of things they get now, and are all bad people. Matter of fact, my wife, kids and grandkids are all registered with the Cherokee Nation.
My beef is with THIS Tribe. CRIT is not a Tribe, so to speak. It is a mixture of Mohave, Navajo, Hopi, and Chemehuevi. The Navajo and Hopi are Native to Northeastern Arizona, in the 4 corners Region. Mohave were nomadic and never really had a land of their own.
The Chemehuevi were placed here after their (supposed) homeland was innundated when they flooded Lake Havasu after Parker Dam was built. When some Chemehuevi found out there was still part of their "reservation" above water, they went back and reclaimed it, even though they signed it over to the US Govt. for getting land here in Parker. They've already kicked a lot of people out of Havasu Lake Resort when they raised their lease payments, or just didn't renew the leases.
The individual CRIT tribe members pretty much hate the other tribes. Hopis don't like Navajo, Navajo don't like Mohave, and everybody hates the Chemehuevis.
My wife works at the Indian Hospital, and hear's all the stories. It's actually amusing at times. It's also sad with the amount of alcoholism, drug abuse, family violence, diabetes, suicide, illiteracy, etc. that's prevalent on Indian Reservations. Those troubles are a direct result of our Government "taking care" of them.
Do I think they deserve some accomodations for past wrongs? Well, my wife's great-grandmother (x2) walked to Oklahoma from Tennessee in the Trail of Tears. She was one of the lucky ones who survived. 2/3 of the Cherokees, Choctaw, Creek and Chickasaw weren't so lucky. If that 7 year old didn't make it like so many others didn't, I wouldn't have the family I do now.
So, yes. They are owed something. We took their land, their culture and destroyed their very being. We made them into a ward of the Government. Indian Reservations are the only true form of socialism active in the US, and it's an obvious failure. If they can make it off the public dole through enterprises such as Casinos, land development, and any other legal means, more power to them. But as they begin to prop themselves up, we have to wean them off public money. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening anytime soon.
As far as CRIT, their leaders are nothing but a bunch of crooks and thieves, who are only in it for themselves, at the sake of their own people. How much money have the CRIT Tribal members received from the Casino? $500.00. Yep. Five Hundred Dollars. And that was more than 5 years ago. They can't give any more to them because they mortgaged everything they had, including the Casino, Big River, Moovalya Plaza, Aha Quinn, Big River, etc. for 25 Million bucks to fund a doomed Gambling initiative in 2000.
But the leaders and their kids are all driving around in new cars, SUVs, have new homes, while the members live in run down trailers and project tracts.
When do we stop having to "owe them something"? Now the descendents of slaves want reparations. Do we owe them too? All through history, one race or people expanded to another place and took land. Where does it stop with the "we owe them"?
Racial Quotas?
Reparations?
Outright gifts?
Preferential treatment towards gambling?
Where?

[MsDrmr]

I can appreicate all you are saying, one thing to take into consideration is that face that now the Indians are getting screwd also. If you get the LA times paper, you should have read the article where a man born to the owner of one of the casinos in palm springs is being voted out of his share of the money because his mom left the tribe to live elsewhere. He has been running the casino for some time and has been getting $10,000 often as an indian that now is being taken away. I really believe that Greed has taken over. The Indians have been given free land and now free money all supported by us. If you don't like the fact that they want to control the land thats theirs dont support the casinos that they get thier money from.....Just my .02
Sorry if this offends anyone

[jackpunx]

I think everybody on the board agrees that there are a lot of Indians screwing their own people. Its deffinatly personalities before princapals when it should be the opposite. I’m not one to say that it doesn’t happen in our world. But they have been big on separating their world from ours unless it has anything to do with free money. Its sad.
To me its like welfare. You can only help someone so much.. It seems like we have helped them to death. I don’t support the Indian casinos and don’t like the idea that I pay into this BS. But they have someone by the balls and it seems like it will always be this way. Like I said before.. The CRIT is like the mafia.. Its all about control and only the people on top are reaping the benefits.

[Essex502]

Originally posted by mrsdrmr
I can appreicate all you are saying, one thing to take into consideration is that face that now the Indians are getting screwd also. If you get the LA times paper, you should have read the article where a man born to the owner of one of the casinos in palm springs is being voted out of his share of the money because his mom left the tribe to live elsewhere. He has been running the casino for some time and has been getting $10,000 often as an indian that now is being taken away. I really believe that Greed has taken over. The Indians have been given free land and now free money all supported by us. If you don't like the fact that they want to control the land thats theirs dont support the casinos that they get thier money from.....Just my .02
Sorry if this offends anyone
I do, in fact, read the L.A. Times and am very familiar with the article. The man's ancestor is accused of moving off of the reservation when times were bad and the tribal council is now claiming by doing so she "renounced" her membership in the tribe. I also remember that what is at stake is the members participation in the gambling profit's windfall - to the tune of $10,000 per month to each Pechanga tribe member. Now, if they're a Sovereign Nation I'll bet the tribe members aren't paying any taxes on that money either!
Pechanga 2 (http://www.latimes.com/la-me-pechang...,3554752.story)
Pechanga (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,2221376.story)

[Essex502]

Originally posted by jackpunx
I think everybody on the board agrees that there are a lot of Indians screwing their own people. Its deffinatly personalities before princapals when it should be the opposite. I?m not one to say that it doesn?t happen in our world. But they have been big on separating their world from ours unless it has anything to do with free money. Its sad.
To me its like welfare. You can only help someone so much.. It seems like we have helped them to death. I don?t support the Indian casinos and don?t like the idea that I pay into this BS. But they have someone by the balls and it seems like it will always be this way. Like I said before.. The CRIT is like the mafia.. Its all about control and only the people on top are reaping the benefits.
We can change the "by the balls" approach the Indians have to the rest of the U.S. - treat them like we treat every other foreign country!

[Seadog]

In Oklahoma, the voters have voted down gambling several times, but the will of the people does not apply to anything they want to call 'indian land'.
Let me tell you about a people that lived long ago. Feared by their enemies, they own vast lands. They were the finest light horsemen that ever existed. Within hours they could assemble over a thousand riders to go into battle. One day, the leader of the land to the north of them asked them to attend some peace talks. They went to his his headquarters under the flag of truce and when they sat to eat, enemy soldiers jumped out from behind them and slaughtered all their leaders. With the leaders dead, the enemy attacked the people and drove them out of their lands or killed them.
The people were the clan Armstrong and the enemy was the Scots. Now based on what is going on with the indians, I should be able to go back and reclaim my ancestrial lands from Great Britain. Kick the bloody Scots out.
Instead of sitting around and dream of the ancient glories of my ancestors, my family moved to Ireland and then across the ocean to the Americas. We have fought in every war in the past 300 years (never could learn to get along). The idea of a living being owed me because of something that happened centuries ago, is the most repulsive carp I can think of. If you steal from me, I'll deal with it. If you stole from my father when he was young, it was his responsibility to deal with it.

[little rowe boat]

Burn your shit to the ground and gladly pay the clean up costs.It would be worth it so they could not move right into a turn key home.