Originally posted by AzDon
Dan-
There is a whole other side of town from where you apparently live.... It's the side of town where things are being transported, stacked, moved with forklifts and warehoused. It's the high-crime side of town where sanitation workers, waitresses, minorities, housekeepers, factory workers, and non-union tradesmen live. Many who live on this side of town are ex-cons, single parents, drug addicts and other hard-luck types. The test scores in the local schools are not that great and folks here are pretty much written off as useless by folks on your side of town because of all the problems here. Many folks on this side of town are willing to work hard even though they are constantly being disrespected by having their wages cut as fewer available jobs creates an oversupply of labor. These are often folks that lack the smarts to get educated for the cutting edge jobs you talk about. They are simply people that want to live the American dream at a lower tier and have accepted their place in society.
This side of town is growing as your side of town is shrinking creating an increasing challenge to folks on your side of town to find a consumer base with buying ability against this backdrop of declining wages.
It's unfortunate that we have a supremely elected president that has never seen, nor even acknowleges the existence of, the side of town where the folks live that do all the menial things that keep the infrastructure running. He sees no harm in underpaying these folks rather than thanking them for their underpaid contribution. He also has no problem with taxing their crumbs while hand-delivering complete cakes to the folks on the wealthy side of town.
The lesson of world history that the unsympathetic folks on your side of town need to learn is that when severely downtrodden and demoralized folks become a majority, they gravitate to charismatic leaders who overthrow the system through revolution.
In general, we've been able to vent these frustrations through free speech and the ballot box, but the election of 2000 proved that the party in control of the Supreme Court can ultimately bully their way into office after manipulating the polling process in just one state!
Occupation: bulk chemical transport logistics technician. You really need to stop drinking the samples at work.
Everytime you start this leftist BS your words look like Charlie Browns teacher sounds... Wha wha whawha wha whaaaa.
Originally posted by AzDon
but the election of 2000 proved that the party in control of the Supreme Court can ultimately bully their way into office after manipulating the polling process in just one state!
Still bitter that Gore lost fair and square?
Originally posted by HavasuDreamin'
Still bitter that Gore lost fare and square?
Thank God for the Florida 500!
I'm not going to get into the labor side of the debate. When I saw Greenspan's statements on CNN Money yesterday, I was enraged. As a 1099 individual, I have to pay ALL of the social security witholdings at the end of the year. Since I was about 13, it was clear that I would never see a dime of what I paid into the system. But at least the Gov't was still telling everyone we would get our fair share.
I have watched my grandparents who didn't pay into the system anywhere near the amount that I will have by the time I'm their age, utilize their Social Security as mad money because they provided for their own retirement. I have absolutely no problem with that. What I do have a problem with are those individuals who have never contributed to the system, or contributed very little to the system, draining it before I can get a crack at the $$ I've already paid in. You have plenty of low income types that will use their children's poor performance in school to qualify them with a learning disability and then apply to start pulling the Social Security on their kids, before their child has ever paid a dime into the system.
Now here I am, I will pay my part into social security, and members of the Federal Government are openly discussing how they are foreseably going to have to cut benefits. I never banked on it being there, but someone somewhere has some of my hard earned $$. We're not talking an expectation of entitlement; I paid into a system, and the funds I paid in are not going to be accessible to me, let alone any interest that supposedly should have acrued. The Government is openly stealing from the middle and upper classes ( I know, what else is new, but it is on the threshold of being blatant).
Now for the question that has been burning in the back of my mind on several issues. How long will the core of the American people tolerate this kind of treatment before they stand up and put a gun in someone's face to change it? With my rights to bear arms continuously being diminished to the point where I cannot defend myself from a domestic enemy, unchecked illegal imigration eroding the core belief system that was the basis of this nation, and no accountability of our representatives in legislature; how far will we as a society be pushed before a measurable insurgence is seen?
I'm not a nut job militia type. I enjoy the stability our government affords me in my daily life. But things are going to hell in a hand basket and I personally feel that our current political system has gotten so far out of the hands of the people, that I doubt conventional means will rectify anything to a measureable degree. How far do the sensible people of America let things go before they remember the hows and why's of our national orrigins? Will any resistance effort merely be viewed as a small band of "gun toting wackos, or is there a larger collective of middle class Americans that wonder if they may have to participate in a massive civil conflict during their lifetime?
My faith is dwindling, and the more reading I do, the worse it gets.
Chris
That's right Chris. It's not Social Security, it's Social Welfare! Would it be right to make it so you only got it if you needed it? I'm just asking.
My folks are in the same boat. They planned for their retirement and are in great shape and don't need the SS but get it anyway because as has been stated in above posts "they paid into it and therefore they deserve it". I'm concerned that this is the kind of thing that puts a drag on the system.
So the question is, if you don't NEED it should you still GET IT?
Problem is that is the anser is no, then it's really become WELFARE!!!
Mirvin
Originally posted by mirvin
So the question is, if you don't NEED it should you still GET IT?
Mirvin
My question would be, If you don't need it should you be forced to pay into it?
Do members of congress pay into it?
I know employees of 501 C3 "not for profits" are not forced to pay into SSI. They may however receive SS benfits when they hit that magic age is they ever paid into the system.
What a great discussion for the Hot Boat website.
"In general, we've been able to vent these frustrations through free speech and the ballot box, but the election of 2000 proved that the party in control of the Supreme Court can ultimately bully their way into office after manipulating the polling process in just one state!"
Give me a freaking break. Your other left wing, entitlement sucking, my side of the tracks need a hand out, quasi socialistic line of crap aside. This hanging chad and the Supreme Court stole the election rant might fly among your fellow left wing, the sky is falling whiners but not here.
George W. Bush won the State of Florida - get over it. The left is simply angry and can't get over the fact that the Liberal Courts in Florida weren't allowed to ignore Florida election statutes and force Al Gore down our throats. Frankly, there is an argument that can been made that had the liberal media not prematurely called Florida an Al Gore state that there are a tremendous number of voters that may have actually gone to the voting booths and voted for Bush instead of thinking the election was over thus swinging Unbelievably close popular vote.
I know that is all hard to swallow and believe it or not I am pretty open minded but just because the DNC says it is this way or that way it doesn't make it so.
There are a whole lot of us out here that believe that working hard, making some good choices and making a good living and even perhaps getting wealthy doesn't mean we have to take a beating at the hands of those simply looking for a hand out.
None of this means that I don't have respect for person driving a truck, digging a ditch, or even guy helping me by waxing my boat for a couple of hundred bucks is looking for a hand out. These are hard working folks that are the back bone of our economy and society.
We all have choices to make and some are made for us but for the most part the choices are ours. Free Speech is a wonderful thing!
Last but not least, when I have money I usually do things with it like invest, buy property/develop, and occasionally boats and engine upgrades - I think that means the money is going back into the economy which in turn is creating and supporting jobs, etc. Even adding to this crazy logic is the "theory" that if I have more cash because my tax rate is lower I have more money to spend - FAR OUT!
Happy Boating!
I love it when the liberals talk about tax cuts for the "wealthy". Have you seen the numbers on what is considered "wealthy"???
Two income houshold in Southern California making 100k a year is considered "wealty"!! Give me a break. You have to make 100k a year just to be able to afford a house, kids, vehicles ect...
And for the top 1% that are paying the majority of the taxes, they deserve a break. Why should they be penalized just because they make more $$$.
This is America, wealth re-distribution should not happen.
Originally posted by AzDon
Perhaps you don't have a problem with Taco Bell paying your teenager $5/hr while he/she lives with you and is essentially lifestyle-subsidized by your generosity and living-wage job, but when your employer and his competitors decide to pay Taco Bell wages, or worse, move production to Mexico, I'm bettin' that you won't be buying a new boat even if your taxcut was 50 grand...get it?
No, I won't have a problem with that. It'll teach them that nothing get handed to you, you earn it. You want to make more money, do something to better yourself so that you can become more marketable, get a higher paying job and earn more. Don't expct the government to pay for you because you have no skills. We all start out the same, we only end up in different places because of our own choices!
Az don what is wrong with giving a tax break to the wealthy ? who pays it in ? not the poor im sure youve heard of earned income tax credits do the wealthy get those hell no but the poor do infact they get back even if they dont pay , This country was rockin when they gave tax breaks to the wealthy , were does it say the wealthy has to pay for the poor please show me . The single moms should have kept there legs shut ! **** the poor, as long as you give these paracites something for free they expect it . As far as social security goes drive to to your local office today and see who s in there it sure isnt full of old white people 65 and over you might just be surprised if you go, but be prepared to be frisked . I actually went there this week and was floored with what i saw un ****in real . as far as jobs leaving this country try and hire a young american today who will show up 5 days in a row not high or without court date or parole meetings young guys today are seriously ****ed up . Can you really blame a company for not wanting to be sued daily by crack head s for some lame ass excuse and with the courts allowing this to happen workers comp has gone thru the roof " thank the left for that " ,police your own before you bag on the wealthy librealisim is a cancer that is taking this once productive country by storm .
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