Reply With QuoteI aint Froggy but I say nuke the bleeing heart liberals and then we can get some support for our efforts and get this thing over with.
I am curious as to your take on what we might need to do next regarding this Iraq dilema we are in.
I aint Froggy but I say nuke the bleeing heart liberals and then we can get some support for our efforts and get this thing over with.
Good question. My personal answer is to stay the course. The very worst thing we can do right now is back out and leave that poor country headless. It will amount to an extremely resource-rich country that will be easily exploited by anyone with a cap gun. They have no real military, no state solidarity at this point and no national pride. To leave is to invite disaster of the worst magnatude.
I have very, very close freinds who have recently returned from Fallujah and Baghdad, and the recurring reply from all of them, universally is that we absolutely need to be there. They understand why we were there, and respect our country and our leadership for going and doing the right thing. I know of no returning soldier fresh from danger that is not voting for Bush this November, or feels in the slightest that we should cut our losses and leave. The work is too important.
I will spare you statistics, but the amount of country building and infrastructure that is currently going on over there is astounding. They are making civilization leaps in months that they haven't made in centuries. Electrical production is at it's maximum EVER level, prenatal and infant deaths are near non-existant right now. More schools are open, and teachers are higher paid than ever etc.... Good stuff all around. That country has never been better off than they are right now.
Total up how many cops die per day in America in the line of duty. Then add firefighters, paramedics, doctors, ambulance drivers, department of transportation, mall cops etc... and I think you will find the number to be pretty vast. These are a small part of the roles that our soldiers are playing over there right now. It is FACT that we generally lose more troops in training during times of peace than we have during this war.
Our soldiers have a tough job ahead of them. One they signed up for. One they are proud to do, and one that is worth the risk to them. No one is balking at all.
It has been said that it is impossible to defeat the American Military, but easy to defeat the American people.
My advice... Buckle down America. We are going to be there for a while. Politicians will say what they want to in the interest of getting elected, but there is nobody in any position to run for President in the next eight years that is going to actually consider pulling out. To do so would create a vacuum that could only be filled with garbage. Nobody wants that.
Support your troops, support your leaders and support democracy, here and abroad. When you stop believing that one of the fundamental responsibilities of being the biggest kid on your block is in protecting the less powerful, those who are unable to protect themselves, you have failed as a leader. The lesser powerful will see it as a weakness, and before too long you will become overwhelmed, and you will no longer be the biggest and the strongest. When you stop protecting the little guys, they will stop protecting you. There is no kid on the block big enough not to get his ass kicked by 5 smaller kids.
Probably more than you were looking for. If you were looking for a "nuke 'em" quote, I challenge you to be the guy who is responsible for killing millions of innocents. Put yourself in that situation... You can have that job. Kill 'em all? No way. That isn't what we are made of. We are Americans, not butchers.
I just hope we aren't made up of quitters though...
Nicely said Wes
Or to put it simply:
We started the job, we have to finish it. Now more than ever, the American people need to have the same courage and determination as the American Military. There are bound to be more setbacks. That is the nature of any difficult endeavor. Overcoming those setbacks is what makes us strong
No good has ever come out of us tucking tail and running.
Wes great reply.........however staying the course is irrelevant if these animals achieve their ends and that is to use WMD's on American cities. In Iraq staying the course is the only true way to establish a culture of democracy as peacably as possible (if you can call this peacefully). But if and when these scum bags use WMD's on American soil with this President like Harry Truman President Bush will respond with our WMD's and innocents will get killed!
And like TRUMAN he won't be a butcher when he does ,he will just be the man in charge. Like "Harry" he will say the buck stops here and enough is enough.......... drop the bomb! GOOD BYE HIROSHIMA! OOPS I MEAN DAMASCUS!
And like Prsidents before him HE will realize his JOB IS TO SAVE AMERICAN INNOCENTS FIRST EVEN AT THE EXPENSE OF INNOCENTS IN ENEMY LANDS..........
AND IT WONT BE BUTCHERY IT WILL BE HIS CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY! AMERICA FIRST!
TAKING THAT JOB FOR ME WOULD BE EASY ALL THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO IS SHOW ME THE PICTURS/VIDEOS OF 19 YEAR OLD SECRETARIES JUMPING OUT FO 100 STORY BURNING BUILDINGS RATHER THAN TO CONTINUE THE SUFFERING OF BURNING MELTING FLESH BEING SCORCHED FROM THEIR BODIES. OR THE VIDEO OF THE DEAD PEOPLE FROM THE VX GAS CLOUD THAT THE TERRORISTS WOULD LIKE TO UNLEASH ON NEW YORK AS IT KILLS 100,000 PEOPLE.
NO PROBLEM FOR ME!!!!! AND YA KNOW IT WON'T BE ANY PROBLEM FOR PRESIDENT BUSH EITHER.....SAD ALBEIT TRUE BUT WITH OUT HESITATION HE WILL KILL'EM ALL!
Wes makes sense. If the country is not set up and working well when we leave it will deteriorate to a point of anarchy....
Japan and Germany took years to resolve and make functional. Look what those two countries did for their respective regions. It took time, but we made them into economic powerhouses. And trading partners like none other.
Iraq can be the same, no doubt there were insurgents in France, Italy, Germany and Japan as well, before law was restored.
It sure would be nice if the media played up some of the positive things, instead of the daily death count.....which I do believe is reasonable given that there are over 100,000 people there. A certain number would be killed in car accidents, drug overdoses and accidents in any event, hostilities or not.
It sickens me that one drop on American blood is spilled to save some dirtbag towelhead, but remember the hundreds of thousands of bodies Saddam's regime left buried.....most are likely innocents who's only crime was to not be the same religion as Saddam.
Originally posted by Froggystyle
Good question. My personal answer is to stay the course. The very worst thing we can do right now is back out and leave that poor country headless. It will amount to an extremely resource-rich country that will be easily exploited by anyone with a cap gun. They have no real military, no state solidarity at this point and no national pride. To leave is to invite disaster of the worst magnatude.
I have very, very close freinds who have recently returned from Fallujah and Baghdad, and the recurring reply from all of them, universally is that we absolutely need to be there. They understand why we were there, and respect our country and our leadership for going and doing the right thing. I know of no returning soldier fresh from danger that is not voting for Bush this November, or feels in the slightest that we should cut our losses and leave. The work is too important.
I will spare you statistics, but the amount of country building and infrastructure that is currently going on over there is astounding. They are making civilization leaps in months that they haven't made in centuries. Electrical production is at it's maximum EVER level, prenatal and infant deaths are near non-existant right now. More schools are open, and teachers are higher paid than ever etc.... Good stuff all around. That country has never been better off than they are right now.
Total up how many cops die per day in America in the line of duty. Then add firefighters, paramedics, doctors, ambulance drivers, department of transportation, mall cops etc... and I think you will find the number to be pretty vast. These are a small part of the roles that our soldiers are playing over there right now. It is FACT that we generally lose more troops in training during times of peace than we have during this war.
Our soldiers have a tough job ahead of them. One they signed up for. One they are proud to do, and one that is worth the risk to them. No one is balking at all.
It has been said that it is impossible to defeat the American Military, but easy to defeat the American people.
My advice... Buckle down America. We are going to be there for a while. Politicians will say what they want to in the interest of getting elected, but there is nobody in any position to run for President in the next eight years that is going to actually consider pulling out. To do so would create a vacuum that could only be filled with garbage. Nobody wants that.
Support your troops, support your leaders and support democracy, here and abroad. When you stop believing that one of the fundamental responsibilities of being the biggest kid on your block is in protecting the less powerful, those who are unable to protect themselves, you have failed as a leader. The lesser powerful will see it as a weakness, and before too long you will become overwhelmed, and you will no longer be the biggest and the strongest. When you stop protecting the little guys, they will stop protecting you. There is no kid on the block big enough not to get his ass kicked by 5 smaller kids.
Probably more than you were looking for. If you were looking for a "nuke 'em" quote, I challenge you to be the guy who is responsible for killing millions of innocents. Put yourself in that situation... You can have that job. Kill 'em all? No way. That isn't what we are made of. We are Americans, not butchers.
I just hope we aren't made up of quitters though...
A very well thought out responce to a VERY real question on the front of most Americans minds.
Wes, I think most of us here would tend to agree with you on this subject. We must finish what we they started long before 9/11. I stand behind our troops and our President 100%.
Just becasue it has not been said enough here in this forum, THANK YOU!!!!! Thank you to all of you who have put your lives on the line for all of us Americans!!! Soldiers, civilians and, families of those soldiers and civilians alike. THANK YOU!!!!!
God Bless our troops, God bless our President and his staff and,God bless America!!!
Originally posted by rvrtoy
A very well thought out responce to a VERY real question on the front of most Americans minds.
Wes, I think most of us here would tend to agree with you on this subject. We must finish what we they started long before 9/11. I stand behind our troops and our President 100%.
Just becasue it has not been said enough here in this forum, THANK YOU!!!!! Thank you to all of you who have put your lives on the line for all of us Americans!!! Soldiers, civilians and, families of those soldiers and civilians alike. THANK YOU!!!!!
God Bless our troops, God bless our President and his staff and,God bless America!!!
My thoughts almost exactly. I was interested in Wes' opinion because of his military background and I have a great deal of respect for his opinion concerning these types of things. I myself grew up in a military family and understand the sacrafices that have been made for all Americans that are not even an afterthought to most. I believe in what and who we are and where we have come from. I am not a religous person but know the difference between right and wrong. Everyday politics interfere with military affairs but it is a necessary check of power. Gray area a lot of the times and a tough call. I hate it when I hear people over-simplify problems that have much deeper consequences than most realize. The premature leaving of Iraq would be one of them. Your statement here says it all Wes "It has been said that it is impossible to defeat the American Military, but easy to defeat the American people." The problem is when the politics tie the hands of the military to do what is necessary. Of course without checks/balances the pendulum could swing totally in the other direction.
My Father being a retired military man went out on July 4th 6 years ago. I thought it was very fitting for him to pass on our Independance Day. He went out with fireworks and all. He probably forgot what day it was and thought it was all for him....lol
One of my brothers who lives in San Diego yesterday helped with a golf tournament that provides support financially and emotionally to the spouses and families that have lost their husbands/wifes/children in combat. I was unable to attend but he escorted two widows out to dinner and hosted their visit out here. I am proud of the step my brother took to make a difference. Even if it was just for a day or two. we should all remember that families are being torn apart and maybe, just maybe there is something we can do in our own way no matter how small.
Thanks Wes for your past contribution to making us all a little safer even if we didn't realize is at the time
Originally posted by Froggystyle
Good question.....
Wes, your reply is just awesome. I've actually read it a few times and it's changed my views of this whole thing. Really cool.
BTW, Not to change the subject, but shoot me a line when the first trident is out of the mold, I want to head down and see it all in person!!!
RTJas
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